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 Post subject: Hydrolastic vs Hydrogas
PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:35 am 
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Whats the difference. I know HydroGas is from MGF etc and Hydrolastic is from Minis, 1100 s etc. But whats the difference in how they work?


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I wanna know, too. 8)
I have heard the same factory pump will work on either....???

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 11:08 am 
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Found something

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The next suspension innovation for the Mini was the Hydrolastic system introduced to the saloon models in 1964. Hydrolastic suspension involved similar rubber cones to the “Dry” set-up, but they formed a displacer unit with an integral diaphragm and damper valves. They were filled with a water and antifreeze mixture and interconnected front to rear via pipes under the car. This gave the car a rising and falling motion rather than the sudden pitching of the rubber cone system. Alex Moulton takes up the story once more...
The Morris 1100 was introduced in 1962 with the first Hydrolastic installation. It was a great success, and Ford in particular were very upset by it. Dunlop and Moulton Developments took some time to make a unit small enough to fit in a Mini, but it was done by the early 1960s. The majority of the Mini’s racing and rallying success was achieved with Hydrolastic cars. The whole Mini racing thing was started by John Cooper. We never thought about racing during the design phase; we were worried about safety, particularly when the car was overloaded with lots of students aboard or such like.”
The final phase of the Moulton suspension system evolution was the Hydragas system. In this later version of the interconnection principle, the rubber cone was replaced by using a gas under pressure. Hydragas was introduced with the unloved Austin Allegro in the 1970s and is still in use on roads today fitted to the MGF.


So Hydrogas must be Hydrolastic with gas instead of fluid. So you could convert Hyrolastic to gas with the right displacers and tubing.


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Blokeinamoke wrote:
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So Hydrogas must be Hydrolastic with gas instead of fluid. So you could convert Hyrolastic to gas with the right displacers and tubing.


Mini/Morris 1100 Hydrolastic displacers contain a small rubber cone inside. Hydragas has a gas chamber instead, as well as a hydro fluid chamber in the displacer. The gas chambers are sealed for life and don't connect to any other displacers. The fluid part is interconnected just like any Hydrolastic car.

Hydrogas displacers are much larger than Mini units, and as such don't fit a Mini easily. Alex Moulton built himself a Hydragas Cooper S, but that car had custom subframes, and as far as I am aware, was the only Hyrdagas Mini prototype built.

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Hydro = Water (a mixture of alcohol and antifreeze + corrosion inhibitor)
Lastic = Rubber
Hydrolastic = Water and Rubber

Hydro = Water
Gas = Gas
Hydrogas = Water and Gas 8)

Water does not compress, so it is the rubber or gas that is the actuall spring.
So cars with Hydrogas still need to be pumped up just like the Hydrolastic cars.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:32 am 
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hydragas is used in more modern cars such as the new MGF, it uses nitrogen, and a fluid, it sounds kinda backwards, but to harden it up, you put in less gas, as water is harder to compress than nitrogen, so race mgf's run arround 200psi, compared to 400 for the road car...quite a different setup to good ol hydrolastic.
thats all i know :)

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