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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:05 pm 
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hey guys,

I'm new to the forums and completely new to mini's, but i'm certainly not new to cars. my english friend bought a 1965 mini recently and he has turned to me in an effort to get some help with some engine work and driveline mods that could be done to spruce up the car a bit (I am infact an avid restorer/rebuilder of all things mopar - that is, chrysler) and I would like to help him with any issues he may have, and even build an engine for him with some appreciable horsepower.

what I am interested in is learning firstly a bit about the differences between the seemingly several different models of mini (theres an austin mini? a morris mini? a leyland mini? its very confusing at first! :D ). can any of you help me out a bit with this? the mini that has been purchased by my friend is badged as a "morris mini deluxe", although i wouldn't be able to tell if it is just a replica or if its the real thing, or tell anything at all really about what is original and what isnt. i can provide any ID numbers if anyone can help me out with that too.

so, once i could possibly know a bit more about the lineage of the mini in general (and where this morris mini deluxe sits amongst it all), then i would love to know what engine and transmission options existed at around the time this car was made.

lastly, I've been told that it has an 1100cc motor in it, and being the rev-head that i am I would like to build him a high performance motor to replace it with (preferably staying with the mini engines, not going with a retro-engine fitment or anything like that). can any of you suggest to me what is the "common" cooper S engine build-up that people do? ie, what cam specs, bottom end mods, top end mods are commonly done?

I'm well versed in engine building so don't hold back with specs or your decriptions. the more info the better!

any and all help will be much appreciated!

thanks! :D


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:24 pm 
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mini-deluxe wrote:
what I am interested in is learning firstly a bit about the differences between the seemingly several different models of mini (theres an austin mini? a morris mini? a leyland mini?

Welcome. :)
The following web site is a useful place to start to get an understanding of the mini's history.
http://www.austin-rover.co.uk/index.htm

It's but one of many websites that has a heap of information on the mini. Try google.
The following page (courtesy of a fellow ausmini member) has some good info on Australian mini history

http://www.miniman.com.au/minihist3.htm

FYI, the deluxe didn't come with an 1100 engine from the factory, so you may want to post the engine number up for people to confirm what is really is. 8)

With regards to hotting up the engine, do a "search" on this forum on "1100" - there have been heaps of threads that have covered all aspects. :)

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Short Australian Mini History (according to Morris 1100)

1961 Morris 850 released.
1965 Morris Mini Deluxe released.
1965 Morris Mini Minor Released (replaces Morris 850)
1965 Morris Cooper S released.
1968 Leyland takes over BMC (BMC was the merger of Morris and Austin)
1969 Mini K (Morris Mini 1100) replaces the Mini Deluxe.
1969 Cooper S get a new blinker switch and becomes the Cooper S Mk2
1971 Clubman models replace the Morris models. Mini Clubman, Mini Clubman GT, Mini 1100, Mini Van. (Notice they are not Leylands)
1973 Leyland name replaces the Clubman name. (Leyland Mini, Leyland Mini S)
1974 Leyland closes Zetland factory and moves production to Enfield.
1978 Leyland stops production of Minis in Australia.

Sometime in between they made vans and built the Morris Cooper from CKD kits.
I am sure I have forgotten some in there!

Austin Minis were never sold in Australia but some have been imported.
Austin and Morris was like Dodge and Plymouth, just two names from the same company.


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Welcome....please tell us where you are located so that people can assist you betterer :idea:

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 10:52 pm 
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mini-deluxe wrote:
what I am interested in is learning firstly a bit about the differences between the seemingly several different models of mini (theres an austin mini? a morris mini? a leyland mini? its very confusing at first! :D ). can any of you help me out a bit with this? the mini that has been purchased by my friend is badged as a "morris mini deluxe", although i wouldn't be able to tell if it is just a replica or if its the real thing, or tell anything at all really about what is original and what isnt. i can provide any ID numbers if anyone can help me out with that too.


Austin and Morris minis was just badge engineering by BMC (British Motor Company), British Leyland bought them out in the late 60's, and did a facelift, creating the 'Leyland Mini', or more commonly called a 'Clubman' - basically the same mechanicals etc. but a different nose

the 'Morris Mini Deluxe' was an australian only model, which lauched with the first wind up windows available on a mini anywhere in the world, and a few of the components borrowed from the 'cooper' - being the 998cc engine and gearchange that comes out of the floor near the handbrake, rather than the base of the firewall as for the 'budget model' morris 850. It would be very uncommon for someone to build a replica deluxe, as they were really very common on the roads - many deluxes have been turned into replica Cooper S's though.

To compare minis in todays terms, the deluxe was probably equivalent to a commodore acclaim, against the 850 being equivalent to an executive. The Cooper was equivalent to a Commodore S, and the Cooper S was equivalent to an SS - complete with the bigger motor, bigger brakes, and an extra fuel tank for long distance racing.

The Cooper S motor was a 1275, it's a 'big bore' motor and a few other cars shared the same motor - the best source for a 1275 motor is a Morris 1100 'S', or to buy an imported engine from a late model UK mini (produced up until late 2000). the 'small bore' motors - 850, 998, 1100 are tunable, and there are endless debates about whether or not they're worth hotting up - depends if you think there's a substitute for cubic inches or not ;)

mini-deluxe wrote:
so, once i could possibly know a bit more about the lineage of the mini in general (and where this morris mini deluxe sits amongst it all), then i would love to know what engine and transmission options existed at around the time this car was made.


like I said above, in Australia, deluxes were the middle of the line-up, and until 1969, the gearboxes were all 4 speed with no synchromesh on 1st gear. There were ratio and final drive differences.... from '69 onwards they had synchro on all 4 gears.

Just focusing on the small bores, the engines available in Australia were 848cc, 998cc, 1098cc. The 998 and 1098 share the same block & bore, with the 1098 a longer stroke. There are a few different heads available - 12G202 is (I think) the most common head casting, and can be ported and the chamber reshaped to flow really well, the 'factory' hot head was a 12G295 casting.

for the big bore (1275's), and only considering locally available motors, there are 2 blocks - a Cooper S block and an 1100S block (don't let the 1100S name fool you... it was a 1275, the car was badged as 1100 S). They're capable of the same performance, a Cooper S short motor needing a rebuild will set you back in the region of $1200, an 1100 S motor shouldn't be more than $500 - it's called a Cooper S tax...

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lastly, I've been told that it has an 1100cc motor in it, and being the rev-head that i am I would like to build him a high performance motor to replace it with (preferably staying with the mini engines, not going with a retro-engine fitment or anything like that). can any of you suggest to me what is the "common" cooper S engine build-up that people do? ie, what cam specs, bottom end mods, top end mods are commonly done?


the best bet is to buy a copy of David Vizard's "Tuning BL's A series engine" - it's got all the detail on the best mods to do to these engines... heres one on ebay at the moment... http://cgi.ebay.com.au/TUNING-BLS-A-SER ... dZViewItem

the hot cam of choice in Australia is an RE-13, created by Graham Russell of Russell Engineering in Sydney, and if you live in Sydney, your best bet is to pay him a visit - he's one of the top minds on mini engineering in the world - and that's a fact.

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I know it's the black sheep of the family... :lol:
Don't forget the 998 Morris Minimatic guys- it came out just before the Mini-K, and was built until 1970-71.
Trim level on most was identical to the Mini-K.
Many are no longer `Matics though. :wink:

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To improve the performance get a copy of Vizard's "How to tune the A Series Engine" Also Keith Calver's articles are a help. This one on the 1098 engine would be of interest http://www.gr8website2.com/calverst/CC110F.htm

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