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| Author: | danidad [ Sun Oct 31, 2004 12:41 am ] |
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There seems to be a lot of worry about keeping things original... Sure it has its merrits, financial being a good one to start with. But original resoration is just one form/style of car preservation. We each have to love our cars to put the effort in and keep them "alive". Why should anyone get upset if someone else decides that original isnt what they want to do with their car. As an exhample only, take mutant mini, personaly i reckon that that car is superb, and has lost none of its mini integrety. its instantly recogniseble to all that its a mini. whats more its out there to be seen, and is a great advertisement in that its eyecatching style draws attention to minis in general.To me that is worth more than a shed full of imaculate S's that the fastidious owner never lets see the light of day. I think there is too much fuss made over things being genuine, unless your only in it for the money. If you build a replica with everything done like a cooper, then the only real difference is a missmatch of numbers on a tin tag(and the resale price tag). OK itwill never be quite the real thing, but there isnt enough coopers for everyone that wants one, and there is just as much merrit in any mini restoration or modification. Personally i wouldnt pick up a spanner and work on a car purely for money. its for the love of the car. choosing a car that you like and making it something you love is from the heart. If i love my car i dont give a rats that its got the wrong weld on the back of the brake pedal(or something equally as trivial) If you believe that every car should be as it was exactly then that would mean every hotrodder should be driving a vintage car. there would be no expresion, or reflection of personality of the owner in any cars. In reality anything you repair is no longer original.. Almost any form of rebuild is a worthy cause if it preserves another car for the future. So if someone like Danielle chooses to paint her car a non Cooper colour, whos hurt by that??? the car will be in better shape than it would have been otherwise, and any future owner will get it cheaper and can put things back to original if they want to. So long as the car is saved and is being enjoyed ,and hopefully seen ,and appreciated, its a worthy exercise. Make your car something you love and you will look after it, be it original or modified. Now give me a second to put my helmet on... then start the rock throwing LOL Just my thoughts... |
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| Author: | drmini in aust [ Sun Oct 31, 2004 5:25 am ] |
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And a resounding `hear hear' to that.. 
Minis are to be enjoyed, IMO. Hell, it's YOUR car, do what you like. Not as if a Mini is rare or something, even if it is an S.. 
I wonder if many Beetle owners (for example) get as worked up over this issue.. OTOH, I do respect those who spend years searching high and low, scrounging for those elusive parts to make their baby original. But I'm sorry, I just don't have their degree of patience. 
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| Author: | 9YaTaH [ Sun Oct 31, 2004 7:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Mini Restoration |
Hey Dani Dad agree with most of what you have to say except I also appreciate a fully restored "original" car or ones that have been in the same family since new etc I couldn't give a rats about the debate to tell you the truth except to say that if you want to preserve the value of an original "anything" then think carefully about any departures from how it was built. If this bad vibe is coming from a QLD Mini CC then I hope to hell we in the ACT never get infected!! BTW Dani has a wide range of colours to choose from if the car is a MKII S - a hell of a lot of them were painted to the customers order....there is a Black shell for sale down here (not my cuppa tea but ya get the picture...). I don't tyre of seeing white over BRG or Red but some certainly people do! Someone has to preserve original examples and someone will always be into modifying or racing......should we leave it that? 
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| Author: | gafmo [ Sun Oct 31, 2004 8:19 am ] |
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We are all individuals.....If we were all the same it would be very boring. If some has the trained Eye and tell you that weld is not original (good on him but it’s your car) Anton and I found the original paint colour on Marcia Yesterday (Nice Grey) and had a quick picture of what She'd Look like.... but not me. I'm not changing my idea's (Purple Yer I'd Love to)
Some Make Original Cooper S Some Don't, Some Mod And some just drive them I find it all rather "You'v got a bowl Cut" 
I Love Original Cooper S and I love non Original especially those parts that make your car go Faster.. 
We are individuals and so are our Mini's |
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| Author: | danidad [ Sun Oct 31, 2004 8:32 am ] |
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gafmo wrote: We are individuals and so are our Mini's
so true.. the mini is probably the most individual of cars, and the most human. each one while on the trailer home got attention every time we stopped. people just come up and talk. Even got the neighbours out of the boxes they live in to come and have a look and a chat, both young and old. I doubt it would have been the same response if the cars were well worn Jappers. |
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| Author: | gafmo [ Sun Oct 31, 2004 8:50 am ] |
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danidad wrote: gafmo wrote: We are individuals and so are our Mini's So true.. The mini is probably the most individual of cars, and the most human. Each one while on the trailer home got attention every time we stopped. People just come up and talk. Even got the neighbors out of the boxes they live in to come and have a look and a chat, both young and old. I doubt it would have been the same response if the cars were well worn Jappers. R yes I Know this.....I call it the Friendship of the Mini 
When we moved into our present Home we had One Mini and three neighbors that had something to do with mini's when they were younger (one even work's on my cars with me). If your driving up the street or in a car park...their is always someone saying these a Mini and has a smile on their Face.......Jappers Cars..Yer big deal Duf Duf Man were rear subframes painted Green..Dam I paint it an orginal colour..  No..Thank God for that.
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| Author: | sg [ Sun Oct 31, 2004 8:55 am ] |
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danidad wrote: gafmo wrote: We are individuals and so are our Mini's so true.. the mini is probably the most individual of cars, and the most human. each one while on the trailer home got attention every time we stopped. people just come up and talk. Even got the neighbours out of the boxes they live in to come and have a look and a chat, both young and old. I doubt it would have been the same response if the cars were well worn Jappers. Danidad, i couldn't agree more.... i beleive that individuality is the key, because it is the main element in remaining passionate about these cars, and individuality is obviously open to interpretation........ for example just have a look at the members cars that have been posted up on this forum since it's inception? - I don't think that you would be able say that there are only more than a couple of cars that look similar to another in terms of how they have been presented. In the end my thoughts are that irrespective of whether your mini is completely original, restored, modified or a hybrid like 13secmini's, when you look at the registration papers or open your garage in the morning, it is YOUR mini and that is the main element of individuality............. lets face it..... again referring back to Danidad, you will still draw a crowd no matter where you are or what type of mini you are driving |
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| Author: | gafmo [ Sun Oct 31, 2004 9:01 am ] |
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| Author: | aaron [ Sun Oct 31, 2004 9:56 am ] |
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i agree with what you are all saying, and i think most mini owners will agree too. i know for a fact that there are only about 3-4 cars in the mini car club of NSW that are completly original, with NO modifications. So i guess what i am saying is that almost all people in the club don't take issue with modifing there cars. They may take issue with you modifing your own car... but that another story. I don't think that anyone should feel as pressured to do a resto to original of any mini, especially an S, they are by definition a "modified" mini. Cheers Aaron |
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| Author: | mickmini [ Sun Oct 31, 2004 11:30 am ] |
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Just get em on the road and DRIVE them. just like good wine, they get better with age, but it is only an opportunity not realised if you don't DRINK it 
a friend of my Dad who drives a V8 supercar in the Konica series (too much money) looked at me quizzically and asked me why i would want to use my mini for motorsport in this day and age? my reply was simple. i have it and it wants to be used. any "restored" car is not original anyway. like your grandfathers axe that has had the head changed four times and the handle changed 10 times, but is still the same axe, any 40 year old car has had anything that wears replaced by a non-original part (albeit the new one could be made to the original design) is still the same car eh? michael |
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| Author: | thommo09 [ Sun Oct 31, 2004 11:39 am ] |
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drmini in aust wrote: I wonder if many Beetle owners (for example) get as worked up over this issue..
lol...yeah they keep them so original that they wont even cut the rust out....... http://www.aussieveedubbers.com/forum/v ... ?tid=21773 
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| Author: | sg [ Sun Oct 31, 2004 1:42 pm ] |
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jesus..... so much for watertight and roadworthy 
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| Author: | czerial [ Sun Oct 31, 2004 2:08 pm ] |
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in my opinion, any person that gives a mini a second chance, and saves it from going to the wreckers is a champion, this was already bought up, many minis that are modified and not original would have been scrap metal by now if someone didn't go to save them, so changing the colour or wheels size or engine - who gives a crap? even back in the hey day of mini's when they first came out rights up until the year 2000 when they stopped making the old shape they were probably the most modified car around. back in the 60's everyone modified their minis. in saying that i think there is something special about seeing a original looking mini as well. i am restoring my sunshine back to original (sort of - everything besides the engine and front discs ) and when it
is done i think it will be a great looking clubman (due to the fact most people modify clubmans). as much as people criticise those that harp on about having an original mini... i think we would all agree that it would be pretty sad if there was not a completely original 's' in your club as that would be a shame. at the same time it would (actually it is) boring to see nothing but cooper s's at shows, so having the mix between original and non original is great. a mini is a mini is a mini is a mini.
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| Author: | bnicho [ Mon Nov 01, 2004 8:41 am ] |
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I have to say hear hear too! I like both - original and off-your-face modified and anything in between. To me it depends on the car. A mate has a beatiful black Austin Super-Deluxe 850 that is very original (not restored). It was actually one of our wedding cars. To modify that car much would be a shame, because it would lose some of it's charm. My van was not very original when I got it. So I had no qualms about fitting whatever bits I liked. My Moke - well in my opinion a stock Moke is BORING - they were made to be modded!! My Traveller on the other hand is very original, but very battered! So it will be restored to original except the paint colour (maybe), engine (1275), brakes and wheels (Cooper S). The original 850 donk will be stored in case I every decide to make it original again. No problems! EDIT: I get tired of going to shows and seeing rows of Cooper S or S replicas that look like bricks on your house, they are so similar. Cheers. |
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| Author: | gafmo [ Mon Nov 01, 2004 8:47 am ] |
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Like this 
We are all different. So R our Mini's If some come to you and say "That not Original" Just say "nor are You And Wave
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