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| Author: | andbat [ Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | a moke? or just a replica? |
i got an idea from an add in " the mini experience" on page 21 top left hand corner. there is an add for moke shells and wheels and bumper. wodnering if i putt an engine in one, would it be considered a moke or just a replica? and for each what kind of value would it be worth for re-sale straight afterwards? |
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| Author: | simon k [ Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:22 pm ] |
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you need to reshell an existing car, using an original ID plate... I guess it'd be worth the same as any other restored moke. I wonder how many of those shells are getting around, as they've been selling them for a few years. Maybe they are popular with the rental mobs in QLD ? |
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| Author: | sports850 [ Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:26 pm ] |
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http://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=27057 This is being also discussed down here , check with the RTA and the supplier of the body to see if it's legal to be used on the road as a simple reshelling or does it need to be approved as a "new" low production volume car like a kit car does . |
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| Author: | bnicho [ Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:59 pm ] |
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I was thinking about this exact scenario the other day. The few of these shells I have seen on the road have had a quiet VIN swap - technically illegal. Accoring to the forms, Victorian Club Permit / Historic Rego requires the vehicle to be 25 years old or a replica of such a vehicle. I wonder if building up a new car with one of these shells could be considered a replica of a Moke and hence eligible for Historic rego. eg: It's a replica of a 1975 Moke? 
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| Author: | 9YaTaH [ Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | it happens.... |
bnicho wrote: I was thinking about this exact scenario the other day.
The few of these shells I have seen on the road have had a quiet VIN swap - technically illegal. Accoring to the forms, Victorian Club Permit / Historic Rego requires the vehicle to be 25 years old or a replica of such a vehicle. I wonder if building up a new car with one of these shells could be considered a replica of a Moke and hence eligible for Historic rego. eg: It's a replica of a 1975 Moke? Brett...much the same as buying a heritage shell, building it up and saying it is a 1967 Mini because thats what is on the wiper motor. |
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| Author: | Gadgets mini [ Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:22 pm ] |
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or if you want to rebirth your fridge 
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| Author: | Morris 1100 [ Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:31 pm ] |
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What ever happend to that fridge? 
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| Author: | bnicho [ Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: it happens.... |
9YaTaH wrote: Brett...much the same as buying a heritage shell, building it up and saying it is a 1967 Mini because thats what is on the wiper motor.
Not quite, that's technically illegal, as it's effectively a sneaky identity swap. What I'm referring to is legally having a replica of a Moke and being honest about it. Might give VicRoads a call.
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| Author: | Gadgets mini [ Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:34 am ] |
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Can you record thier response i need a tarck of some laughter
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| Author: | bnicho [ Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:38 am ] |
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Just got off the phone to VicRoads. No laughing involved. 
It is quite legal to create a replica of a vehicle over 25 years old and put it on Historic Registration. This includes a replica built up of all new parts or a combination of used parts and a new shell whcih repicates an original shell. Some sort of doccumentary evidence is required form the club to state that the vehicle is a replica of a 19XX year car. Note that a replica such as this could never qualify for full registration. EDIT: VicRoads would issue a VIN for the replica.
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| Author: | slinkey inc [ Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:14 pm ] |
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This is what I was thinking about. I have the plates (that I 'acquired') for a 1975 Moke that is dead, in fact very dead. The idea came about from the Mini Experience, but I was told by an owner of a local mini parts supplier in Adelaide (not saying any names) that he thought they were crap when he saw them. But I would make up my own mind on it. If they seem well built and are very original then I'd go for it and then attempt to get it registered as a rebodied 1975 Moke. |
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| Author: | 9YaTaH [ Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: it happens.... |
bnicho wrote: 9YaTaH wrote: Brett...much the same as buying a heritage shell, building it up and saying it is a 1967 Mini because thats what is on the wiper motor. Not quite, that's technically illegal, as it's effectively a sneaky identity swap. How so?? the Heritage shell is the "genuine item" and engines and all accessories can be bought at various stages of tune and off-the-shelf....the only thing that is dated in my example would be the shell itself (I suppose) and the wiper motor...there are probably cases in the UK where multiple shells have been used in the life of a car.....so why not 
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| Author: | drmini in aust [ Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:24 pm ] |
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I think the stumbling block for rego here in Oz is the fact that a Heritage shell has no body number, let alone a VIN. Nor probably do these `Moke' bodies. So, if you put your VIN plates or numbers on it you are technically rebirthing it, in the eyes of Mr Plod. Didn't Chris (from Helensburgh) have this same problem with his `last off the Oz production line' van shell? |
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| Author: | 9YaTaH [ Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Crashworthy |
drmini in aust wrote: I think the stumbling block for rego here in Oz is the fact that a Heritage shell has no body number, let alone a VIN.
Nor probably do these `Moke' bodies. So, if you put your VIN plates or numbers on it you are technically rebirthing it, in the eyes of Mr Plod. Didn't Chris (from Helensburgh) have this same problem with his `last off the Oz production line' van shell? Yeah....but how do Hot Rodders get a T-Bucket registered....jay-zus  I saw one tonight with big fat tyres and cycle guards half an inch off the tread...and Minis get defected for having tyres poking out 1/4 an inch (no..lets not go there  )
...I suppose Plod could also say that the shell is not compliant with Australian ADRs etc (as stupid as it sounds) as they do for post 1989. How ridiculous is all this when they allow bodged up wrecks on the road because they are two urine weak to mandate annual inspections. I know of an authorised re-birth based on the argument that the car was historically significant. We are being way over-regulated IMHO....grumble, grumble
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| Author: | drmini in aust [ Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Crashworthy |
[quote="9YaTaH]Yeah....but how do Hot Rodders get a T-Bucket registered....jay-zus I saw one tonight with big fat tyres and cycle guards half an inch off the tread...and minis get defected for having tyres poking out 1/4 an inch (no..lets not go there )
...I suppose Plod could also say that the shell is not compliant with Australian ADRs etc (as stupid as it sounds) as they do for post 1989. How ridiculous is all this when they allow bodged up wrecks on the road because they are two urine weak to mandate annual inspections. I know of an authorised re-birth based on the argument that the car was historically significant. We are being way over-regulated IMHO....grumble, grumble :lol:[/quote] The hotrods have rules unto themselves, different rules entirely. Hey Mick, U work fot the Gummint- fix it then, or let em know your displeasure!! 
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