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Author:	mini-dunger [ Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:50 pm ]
Post subject:	Whats the deal with Mini disc brakes
Where does the cost come from regarding them? I have seen slotted rotors for around $100, then calipers for not much more than that, Then as far as I know the only other component is the backing plate. I am not having a go at anyone I am just curious as to what the expensive bit is? Thanks guys

Author:	Mini Mad [ Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:00 pm ]
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Well... Swivel Hub $2-300 Drive Flange ~$100 CV Joint ~$130 Tapered Washer Nut Bearings CV Boot Disc Caliper Pads Ball Joints Steering Arm etc..etc

Author:	Mick [ Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:00 pm ]
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Yup, they are indeed pretty expensive. If you can find the callipers for a hundred, I would grab them maybe. New from Minispares is $250 per side not including post. But then you need the hubs, callipers, cv's, bearing kits calliper kits, flanges and discs. It does add up. I wish they were cheaper as well, but every punter wants a set unfortunately. You can get them for 5-700 needing some level of rebuilding, these can make good buying if you are prepared to put a few seals, bearing kits through etcetera, but if everything needs replacing then it easily creeps well up over the thousand mark. If a mechanic does it for you then keep that wallet open. Saying that, when i was a poor boy, if I had a set I would throw them on and see how they went on the car before just simply replacing everything, and if I got the parts from the UK it was as cheap as chips. Not the recomended action I know, but if you go into it with your eyes wide open...

Author:	drmini in aust [ Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:03 pm ]
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Proper Mini Cooper disc brakes use a different swivel hub which has lugs for bolting caliper to. No backplate used. Then the CV is different, the drive flange, there's the calipers, and the rotors. All up, new, yes they are dear. 8.4" ones are cheaper but you need 12" wheels. S/H they are fairly rare so bring good $$, but then you oflen need to replace a lot of it due to wear.

Author:	rampage101 [ Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:39 pm ]
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miniimports post: hi there what type of brakes are we talking about,sounds like conversion bits too me (honda,camira,datsun,etc) as classic mini new components and second hand ones(caliper especially) dont realistically become availiable for the prices you have quoted main reason for costs of genuine bits is weight and freight and the dreaded uk pound as they have to be imported from overseas also a bit more than backing plate as you need different,hubs,drive flanges,drive flange collars and screws,discs,pads,cv joints,tapered wheel bearings,calipers,(caliper kits/pistons if need recoing),it unfortunately all adds up pretty fast hope this gives you an insight into perceived high cost of brakes,probably the most important safety aspect of the vehicle to save your life ps: will probably also depend on what you call expensive as disk brake kits will vary from retailer to retailer depending on the type cheers (Hope this was the correct thread now )

Author:	sports850 [ Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:28 am ]
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Just remember too that there was around 176,000 mini's produced in Asutralia , roughly 7,000 were cooper s with disc brakes , another 2,000 or so were GT's (I think , Anton , how many were there ?) with the same brakes and then the mokes and 1275LS with 8.4" discs . There's probably been another couple of thousand set's been bought in by importers etc but still , if there were only 10-11,000 sets of Cooper S type disc brakes available in the country , not counting the ones that have been crushed or destroyed , there are very few to choose from , hence the price .

Author:	poeee [ Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:02 am ]
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sports850 is correct. The price for second hand ones are expensive because of the rarity of them. Most, if not all disc brake setups (i'm talking 8.4") are import ones, and it's not cheap to get them into the country.

Author:	DOZ [ Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:14 am ]
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I've bought a couple of sets quite cheaply over the years but it's never a gamble, they always sell again so you won't lose money(just take them off the car when you sell it, they don't add enough value to the car to leave on IMO). The right way to do it is purchase a Cooper S for say 15k+, then strip it to a bare nothing and sell off everything individually until your left with the brakes and a few grand. Then realise you don't need the brakes as you've already got enough and sell them too. Call yourself a mini specialist, that way everyone will think it's ok. DOZ

Author:	sports850 [ Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:16 am ]
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Remember too that there were a lot more 1275 motors around (1972 export mokes , morris 1100s , morris 1300 auto etc then there were disc brakes so they have pretty much always been in high demand . How much do the "best" factory brakes (the ones that had special brakes for the rarer performance models) cost for most other performance cars from the 70's and 80's now ?

Author:	Lillee [ Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:19 am ]
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Mini guys have no concept of car parts costs in relation to modern cars. Try buying a new disc brake front end for say a commodore... Go on, call up a parts supplier and ask them how much for the entire setup for say a VL/VN/VS commodore. Then ask them how much the V8 ones are... $1800 won't get you much change for one side... Porsche brakes are $30,000 for the ceramic ones...

Author:	DOZ [ Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:29 am ]
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Lillee wrote: Mini guys have no concept of car parts costs in relation to modern cars. Try buying a new disc brake front end for say a commodore... Go on, call up a parts supplier and ask them how much for the entire setup for say a VL/VN/VS commodore. Then ask them how much the V8 ones are... $1800 won't get you much change for one side... Porsche brakes are $30,000 for the ceramic ones... I fitted a set of those beaut twin piston caliper C'dore brakes to my cousins VK race car, they are off the VY/VZ or something and work similar to a 4 piston one.... Anyway, genuine from Holden including slotted discs was 5-600 or something. Admittedly it wasn't including the strut but they bolt on. Lucky he's got 17's , the original wheels won't fit over the new combo. The big ticket items are things like bumpers. I bought a taiwanese GTI front bumper for $400, then I had to get it painted I could have bought a complete new set of Cooper S bumpers for less!!! & for a car that hadn't been sold in Aust for 30 years at the time, compared to a current model car

Author:	Lillee [ Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:05 am ]
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Yes, see for $1800 you get brand... New hubs New CVs New rotors New callipers New Pads New drive flanges New ball joints, shims, dust covers New wheel bearings and all the other small stuff that all add up: New CV boots New pad plit pins New pistons New seals New calliper bridge seal ($11 each! for a 1cm peice of rubber) New hub nuts New hub nut split pins I am pretty sure they throw in New brake hoses

Author:	AEG163job [ Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:12 pm ]
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Lillee's right on the money. Parts for "modern" cars simply licensed burgulary. After forking out $140 for a washer bottle for my daughter's Pulsar & $230 for grille section (badge an extra $45), I'll never complain about cost of Mini parts...........................

Author:	1360 LS [ Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:21 pm ]
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car parts cost what they cost.... if you complain about their cost you shouldn't drive a car IMO. Mini parts are cheap as chips. I doubt you'll find any car that's cheaper to maintain and fix. Cause I cannot think of any car easier and cheaper.

Author:	cush [ Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:34 pm ]
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Everything + labour.. (if you don't do it yourself)

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