with having a rust problem like this, would you cut out the rust patch on the front and rear of it, when prepairing it would you weld on one of the parts then prime the back of it but how would you prime the part that is being welded on 2nd or would you do it before welding it, but wat about the welds on the inside?



oh and here is a photo of the new mini turbo that we got in at work cause im an apprentice mechanic for bmw

Don't they teach grammar and punctuation at school anymore?

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yeah sorry i know my grammer and punctuation is bad

there are 2 pannels right next to each other i just wanted to know what is the best way to get them prepared before welding them on,

Mate some people would rather put you down then help you out with the answer. The best thing to do is, cut out as much of the rusty area as possible, you must cut beyond the rust into good metal. Make your patch to fit. Like you said, etch prime, prime & paint the back of the patches and weld them in. Directly behind the weld the painted part is going to burn there is no stopping this. However you can beat the rust. Drill a hole somewhere near the area you have just fixed and find a rubber grommet or plug that will fit. Get yourself some cavity wax and insert the nozzel down the hole as close to the area you have just welded, now spray the living crap out of it. You want to saturate the area with wax to stop any water and air getting to the weld. This will stop the rust comming back.

Sometimes if people dont have the skills or the knowledge they feel the need to give people a hard time. Maybe this makes themeselves feel better. Dont worry mate we are not always like this and most of us are willing to help.

Hope this helps buddy and good luck with the repair.

Hows my grammer?

Mike

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well done mike, we are lucky to have pro's like mike around.

When I did mine i welded a patch on the outside then did the inside last. I had cut the rusty inner piece out so i was easy to manipulate the outer panel from both inside and outside.
I sprayed weld thru primer inside both panels before i welded then I etched primed the outer panel before I welded the inner one.
If that makes sense, then like mike said I sprayed wax everywhere.

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You can use wax, I've had good results over the years with fish oil too.
It stinks a bit but soaks in good, when dry it seals stuff nicely.
For my last Fiat 124S resto many years ago, I used gallons of the stuff, that's why it lasted...

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Oh no Mike!
Great advice, great attitude but wrong spelling...
For the record, I am stirring you.

As for your advice, with the wax through a hole.... could you use spray paint (primer type) through the same hole? Does it make a difference??

Peter

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Hey Pete.

Yeah using spray paint primer isnt the ssame as using cavity wax or fish oil.. Eventually the paint will break down and water will get in... Realy the best stuff you can do in wax or the fish oil.. What the wax does is it seals any little gaps stopping water and air getting in, its just like paint but its flexible and it just keeps sticking to the pannels..

For all those guys that have real nice minis that have just been restored, or realy any mini or any old ca that is prone to rust here is some advice.

Think about the areas they rust the most.. In the minis they rust in the sills, floors, seams and everywhere else.

Find some rubber grommets or plugs, get a small hole saw or a large drill and cut some holes in the sills, one at each end and one in the middle. Get your cavity wax and insert the nozzle and spray for your life you want to coat the whole sill inside. Put your grommet or plug in and move onto the next sill..

Minis have a cross member in the foor and they tend to rust here aswell. Do as you did for he sills.

For the seams pull back the trims inside the car and inside the boot.. Spray all in here aswell the replace the trims and boot lininngs... This goes for the roof aswell. You can even do it t the front and rear valances.

Also a good place is in the "A" panels. Find a spot to drill into that no one will see probably the front wheel well drill a whole and sprayall inside the "A" panels.

Basicaly do it to as many places you can under the seats uner the carpet on the undersised of the roofe beneath the roof lining as condensation forms here. Under the dash in the engine cross member.

Now once a year you remove the grommets in the floor boot everywhere else you drilled them and cavity wax it all over again. Best time would be in summer ready for winter and the rain.

This will stop your mini from rusting and keep them going for many years to come.. Might seam like alot of work and a bit of money about $100 - $200 but its cheaper then fixing rust .

Mike

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For the record - no they dont teach grammar and spelling in the same way we were taught and I have had this arguement witha couple of Board of Studies staff in recent years.

Their arguement is that some people will learn spelling and grammar regardless and to spend time on it for the rest is a loss of learning time. They also argue that English is a living language and that regardless of the spelling we all get the message and that it is form of expression. To force kids to spell correctly and use good grammar apparently inhibits expression.

As I am a grumpy old 59yo I totally reject the BOS opinion. They then pointed out my opinion doesn't matter as my sheep have no need for spelling and grammer.

thanks for all the great ideas, i will have to do it to my project mini

im glad you all got the idea of wat i was trying to say, because i didnt do that well in english my hole life, im more of a hands on person than to sit down and studdy

English isn't for everyone.

My Sister was always head in a book, and writing.

I was always on the other end. Building or breaking something.

She has just finished a BA. And it took me a few years outa school to want to go back, but I am doing Mechanical engineering.

I wondered why I have always found English clumsy? then I have met my lecturers. They flat out can't spell. English isn't something that everyone finds easy. It seems to take me longer than most to make a good sentence, but I can make things that others can't

before you go blaming teaching. Tell everyone to turn their spellcheckers off........ No one learns through making the same mistake again and again

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I dont blame the teachers, I blame the people who tell the teachers what to teach and how to teach it.

I think the word recognition technique taught in kindergarten and infant school as a primary cause. We were talk to spell by phonetics. That is how to sound the letters that make up the word. That way there was a reasonable way of not only pronouncing the word correctly but also spelling it correctly from the way it sounds.

The kids of my generation were not different, in terms of intelligence and abilities, than the younger people of today. We simply taught a different way and it stuck. Kids of today continually miss the basic principles and struggle with spelling and grammer all their lives because of it.

I notice the teachers who are on this forum (and there is a couple) are silent on the topic.

I think the issue here is that if you are asking people to spend their time to give you free advice, you should at least make it easy for them to read the question.

An extra minute to check the punctuation, spelling and grammar before posting, will save the time of all the people who read the thread.

At the rate forums go, I often skip posts that are hard to read or understand.

Also look at the fact that you are asking someone to teach you something, but at the same time demonstrating that you are not really all that interested in learning. You didn't even bother to learn the basics to even communicate effectively.

On the other hand, people have limited time, and it makes no sense to jump on people for the odd typo or slack spelling just because they have bashed out a quick reply.

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