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Author:  Smegger [ Sun Apr 15, 2007 2:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Help! Weird carb/breathing problem

Hi folks,

I've got a real problem with my baby at the moment.. I'll try and paint an accurate picture..

Last week, I took it for a good drive up Mt Mee (QLD), filling it with VPower Racing (that 100 octane ethanol blend from Shell) before the drive. It ran fine on the way up, but whilst heading back I found a flat-spot during acceleration around 3000rpm. It would get there, choke a little, then keep revving as if nothing happened. The problem presented about 35kms after filling up.

The next day, it was worse. It would reach this 3k flat-spot, but refuse to rev any further. Odd. :shock:

The following day it got stranger still; with the throttle open fully, it would rev to 3000, hold there for a second or so, then fall back to idle, then back to 3k, and so on. This is with the accelerator on the floor, with no movement. It would rev up, down, up, down.

Now, after a few days without looking at it, it will not rev without operating the choke. Any attempt to use the throttle stalls the engine. It will, however, rev happily to 3kish just on choke. A loud induction hiss can be heard when trying to open the throttle, with or without the choke being open.

My first thought was the fuel, so have drained it completely and put 5ltrs of of BP Ultimate (98 ), which is what it normally drinks. I'm confident the Shell fuel is completely flushed, but the problem remains.

I've had a brief look at the carb (which was rebuilt about 250kms ago, and was perfect until this drive), and everything looks fine. I've swapped several components with the old (pot and piston, needle, jet assembly, float/needle, etc), but no change.

All card gaskets are new.. the only original ones being on the inlet manifold (but they appear fine). All rubber through the carb was renewed when it was kitted. It's a 1.5.

I can't figure out what the problem is. My hunch is it is starving for air. The induction hiss is quite loud even when opening the throttle slightly, and results in an immediate stalling effect.

Any ideas would be hugely appreciated.. Heelp! :?

Author:  sports850 [ Sun Apr 15, 2007 2:33 pm ]
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To me it sounds like it's sucking air around or through a gasket , either the manifold gasket or one of the ones between the anifold and head . Any vacuum hoses been knocked off or vacuum booster shat itself in a big way and sucking through there ?

Author:  Mike_Byron [ Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:48 pm ]
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Check the points gap - bet the points have closed or the plastic cam has melted a little.

Check that before you beging to remove and strip a carby.

Author:  drmini in aust [ Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:31 pm ]
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When fitting new points always smear a little HMP grease on the cam. If you don't, the plastic points arm wears quick... and the points close up. :x
If I still had a Lucas dizzy, I'd put a Pertronix ignitor in it, then no more points and timing variations. :wink:

Author:  sgc [ Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:44 pm ]
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Mike_Byron wrote:
Check the points gap - bet the points have closed or the plastic cam has melted a little.


Hey that's a thought.. all that redlining on the way up Mt Mee could easily have knackered your points ;)

Author:  Smegger [ Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:25 am ]
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Right, problem solvered.. many thanks for the suggestions :)

It turns out the small rubber seal between the jet and the float chamber had corroded and was blocking the jet. Extracted it, replaced, and all is good again. :shock:

I wonder though.. is this the evil work of Mr. Ethanol, or a poor seal.. or a combination of both? Does anyone here run the 95 e10 blend, or Shell's racing rocket fuel without a problem?

Author:  Mike_Byron [ Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:39 am ]
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Glad you got there and that its fixed.

I have a HIF44 on my mini and its archilles heel is the O ring on the choke mechanism. The choke is entirely different to an early SU type.

Anyway, those rubber O rings just do not like the modern fuels and they only need to dry out a couple of times to perish. I would suggest that our fuels have as much to do with it as does the ethanol additive.

However, its well known that ethanol fuels do react with rubber and synthetic rubber seals.

Author:  schmoogene [ Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:32 pm ]
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try changing the condenser as well as the points.

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