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 Post subject: inspecting a cooper s
PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 9:55 pm 
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Hi All,

I have read a few tales on ausmini of people buying coopers and finding out they are modified mini k or deluxe. Do are mini outlets do vehicle inspections on potential purchases?

If there is not such a service then what defining features should you look for in a Mk1 or Mk2 to insure its what the selling says it is?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:13 pm 
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.. the eternal question...

Sorry don't know if there are any inspection services offered - but others may know.

This web site has some good pointes:

http://www.ozcooper.com.au/new_page_3.htm

Otherwise search here on AusMini - there has been much discussion on this topic (funny that :wink: )

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 10:36 pm 
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Most car clubs will provide an inspection service as part of their services to members. Give the local one a call, and if you are not a member, you may very well come into contact with someone who can anyway.

there may also be an Ausmini member up your way who may be able to help with the inspection as well.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:26 am 
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Just look at the badges !! If it says Cooper S it will be one !! There are some 25,000 left from the five thousand odd ever produced. Be Ware of imitations some are a very good copy. Ask an expert for advice. There is a lot of advice on web sites re spotting the real thing.

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g'day check in the boot on the back wall.....there should be tags on both sides not just the left so on the right and left....but sometimes people weld some on but you can tell......this usually indicates weather it is a geniune cooper s or a bogied up replica


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g'day check in the boot on the back wall.....there should be tags on both sides not just the left so on the right and left....but sometimes people weld some on but you can tell......this usually indicates weather it is a geniune cooper s or a bogied up replica

.... also there's clips under the parcel tray for the 2 fuel tank vent hoses, which run across the car. Many non- genuine cars are missing these.. :wink:

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g'day check in the boot on the back wall.....there should be tags on both sides not just the left so on the right and left....but sometimes people weld some on but you can tell......this usually indicates weather it is a geniune cooper s or a bogied up replica


Keep in mind early MK1's don't have these on the right side. :wink:


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Cheers for the advice. Armed with all this I will see how I go. Can someone answer these?

- where do the stamps on the body appear for the body #?
- where does the gearbox numbers appear?
- do coopers have the alloy finned drums?
- other than the fuel line clips is there any other tell tale places I should look?

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do coopers have the alloy finned drums?

no minis came with alloy finned drums, they are a aftermarket part.
another thing to look for is a angled brace on the front panel behind the grille. this can be fake as you can buy them new. also im not sure if every cooper came this way or just the later ones

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another thing to look for is a angled brace on the front panel behind the grille. this can be fake as you can buy them new. also im not sure if every cooper came this way or just the later ones


The support brace must be spot welded. The early MK1's had a straight brace. Sometime in early/mid 66 they went to an angled brace to accommodate the larger 13-row oil cooler.


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Cheers for the advice. Armed with all this I will see how I go. Can someone answer these?

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- where do the stamps on the body appear for the body #?


Depends on the model of car you are after, and will be the same places as for a Deluxe, Mini K, etc etc On a Mk1 it will be beside the body plate near the master cylinders and for Mk2's it will be in the gutter at the back of the engine bay above the passenger side bonnet hinge (A little hard to describe) as well as the radiator shroud. These two number will be 500(ish) out from each other).

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- where does the gearbox numbers appear?


On the front of the gearbox housing, but it may not tell you what is inside very well if it is a Mk2 as they all shared a common 4-synchro box regardless of the ratios within.
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- do coopers have the alloy finned drums?


They never did, not once. Same goes with mags. May have been dealer fitted but never a factory item really.

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- other than the fuel line clips is there any other tell tale places I should look?


Where to start...
history, dash rail upholstered, 120 MPH speedo in 3 instrument binnacle, thicker brake pedal cocked up a little further from the floor, electric fuel pump, breather hole beneath rear seat with fitted grommet,with or without right hand tank and spot welded right hand tank floor brackets, tapered rear rollers, 7.5" discs, widened rear drums with sculpted inner edges, stainless trims with overiders and corner bars, ((F prefixed engine, tappet covers on the back, AEG*** crank, 11 stud head with correct part number stamp(or none), boot board and boot lid liner, twin 1.25 SU's with correct float bowl tags, braided petroflex fuel line,brake booster (lockheed or PBR depending on pre or post '68 ) Correct trim/carpet, floor and heel mats, tall floor clips, correct heater (plastic post '68, metal prior) as well as the correct body prefix numbers that match the year of manufacture and dates stamped around the car, and there's more...and there's caveats on the above which will no doubt be brought forth.

Any of these may be missing as happens in the usual course of a car's life. The rest will leave you with an impression about the car that will decide whether or not it is the real deal. The majority of the 25000 fakes that apparently lurk behind each garage door will be fairly blatant if you have a knowlegable person behind you to concur the facts. It would be best if you sort out a club's advice before laying out your readies for the cooper, if only to be sure.

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Cheers its a bit scary but worth it. Do you just lift the rear seat to get to the breather hole beneath rear seat with fitted grommet? Is it in the middle or side?

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It's on the passenger side from memory . Best bet is to see if you can find someone that knows the seller as well and if they know the history . Are you looking at a specific car yet or still loooking around ?

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The breather hole is in the vertical kick panel under the seat, on passenger side.

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A little hard to pick, but it's there. Note the grommet.


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