Just heard that the ACCC is making ebay change it's new proposal.
Good news for people like me who can continue to accept visa/ mastercard over the phone, direct deposit etc...

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Yeah they postponed it a few times already. Good to hear. Cause i was never going to use paypal.

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That was my arguement...
a lot of my customers refuse to use it.
and they definatley won't put their visa details online(even through paypal)
a lot of my business was about to dissappear

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I dont know what the big fuss is about.

PAYPAL is great. It gives you a guarentee that if you pay and dont receive it they give you a refund. allows you to pay for foreign items. I use paypal all the time.

I boought the same item twice of two different sellers at a cost of about $400 each. the first time i didnt receive and got a refund the second time again i didnt get it and again got a refund.
- If i had paid cash it would have been much more difficult.

Paypal allows you to pay for foreign items.

I THINK IT IS THE BEST THING ABOUT EBAY

You dont have to join paypal via a credit card either - you can link it to a savings account.

Brenton

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Paypal is pushing the costs up. The protection that it claims to provide is not free, it is being paid for.

If I want to buy parts from brickworx or anyone else I will do my homework and do the deal. I don't need ebay to extort money out of the deal.

eBay is now slanted in favour of the buyer, it's too easy to scam the seller now by claiming damage etc.
Lots of people on MM forum won't use it now for this reason.

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good to hear...
if the rule does come in...i wont use ebay cause of paypal

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Yeah the buyer protection scheme sucks. Unless you have proof of postage (and btw, ebay is pretty ambiguous as to what constitutes proof of postage) then the buyer can simply claim they didn't receive the item, and paypal forcibly refunds the buyer and you are out of pocket. This is all well and good if everything you send is by registered post, but a large majority of sellers use prepaid Express post satchels.... arguably very reliable, but doesn't protect you against a dishonest buyer.

Anyway, I'm happy the ACCC has stepped in. I wasn't looking forward to a guaranteed extra 2.4% of fees on every single sale.

the extra commission was the killer for a lot of people

in the first 3 months of this year, PayPal turned over $14.4 billion, of that, $582 million was in fees

I sold some flares for about $140, postage was about $16, the buyer paid $156 via PayPal, and by the time I got my money from them, I got something like $143

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did I tell you that I won a trophy?

I want to say something in response to that line, but don't know how to put it nicely.

Not quite - Paypal's terms of service do not excuse them from Australian consumer legistlation and financial regulation. Nothing stops you from withdrawing the money from Paypal into your bank account as soon as you receive it and then let paypal try to get the money back from you.

Oh and the ACCC doesn't object to anything about PAypal specificaly, just the denial of choice to consumers. Ebay has grown partialy through offering consumers the choice between many competing payment methods. It can't just remove any competition for paypal as a money transfer service by simply prohibiting the use of anything else - the ACCC wan't to ensure that the consumers have the choice in payment methods and competition is maintained.

Surely if you have your credit card & bank details on file, they can simply withdraw the money from your account or charge it to your credit card?

Doesn't EBAY own paypal ? I thought they were bought out a coupla years ago. If so maybe that is the reason this paypal only thing was stopped

Job done!

The Australian July 04, 2008.
eBay scuttles PayPal plan

ONLINE auction giant eBay has lost its three-month battle against the competition watchdog to institute a controversial payment policy.

eBay had planned to use Australia to trial the ban on all other forms of payment apart from cash on delivery and PayPal, an electronic service it owns.

Critics had likened the proposal to Woolworths dictating that all shoppers use only its in-house credit card for purchases.

To open a PayPal account, bidders need to nominate their credit and debit card or bank account for web purchases.

Sellers on eBay are charged between 1.1 per cent and 2.4 per cent each time a buyer uses PayPal.

In April, eBay applied to the ACCC for legal immunity from sections of the Trade Practices Act as a safety net to shield itself from being sued for engaging in anti-competitive conduct.

The ACCC received about 700 submissions, including the Reserve Bank, Australian Bankers' Association and Google, mostly criticising the move. On June 12, the ACCC released a draft notice revoking immunity.

eBay scrambled for a back-up plan, but executives capitulated yesterday. "We notified the ACCC about our intentions at an 11am meeting," eBay Australia head Simon Smith said. eBay faced no pressure to retreat as "we decided to end this ourselves".

"While we disagree with the ACCC's draft notice, we have decided to withdraw the notification to stop any further confusion and disruption among the eBay community," Mr Smith said.

"Our goal has always been to provide members with a safer experience. Under the current circumstances, we will continue to look for ways to do that while still offering a variety of payment choices."

Australia's Professional eBay Sellers Alliance president, Phil Leahy, said it was "great for the eBay community".

"This will remove the confusion that's been around since this proposal was first made. We're looking forward to getting back to business and providing a great experience to eBay buyers," Mr Leahy said.

David Bell, chief executive of the Australian Bankers' Association, said: "It is in the best interest of consumers that competition is maintained and eBay customers are able to use a wider range of payment methods."