OK, I admit to frequent blonde moments but what's the big deal with keeping the numbers confidential
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| Author: | zep [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:48 pm ] |
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I have a Mk 1 Australian Cooper s with the following No.s Ygk2s2 24** Eng No. 9FSay 44*** Colour 1/Toga White New British Racing Green/3 I am chasing any history on this car. eg. year and month of manufacture. Interior trim, racing history, intial place of sale. Does the /3 in the paint code signify anything special? Thanks Zep |
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| Author: | simon k [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:57 pm ] |
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best not to publicise the numbers - people usually replace the last few numbers with *** (I've done it for you) send a PM to Watto with the numbers to add to his register have a look here to see what the numbers in the paint code mean http://www.elevenhundred.com/colours.php the /3 is the manufacturer, in this case, Berger |
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| Author: | bamnfi [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:35 pm ] |
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OK, I admit to frequent blonde moments but what's the big deal with keeping the numbers confidential
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| Author: | Flute [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:41 pm ] |
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I am no expert but hope this may help. It will be hard to find out much, there were 4986 built. The plate on the fire wall wont tell you the date of manufacture, I will find the list that gives an approximate build date based on your number. Mine is 9FSAY49*** and is a 69 model, just before they changed to the MKII's. I found out some deatils on mine and got the original number plate back by having a Vicroads rego archive search done. Even then they black out the name of the car yard and first owner but I have an idea which car yard it came from based on the police station it was registered at. You may be able to do the same in your state. Some people use the wiper motor date as the build date but that is not an accurate way to do it and there is the possibilty it has had a new wiper motor. You ask about its racing history. Is it currently a racecar? It should have a cams log or they may have records if it was a racecar years ago. I am not sure how you would work out the original interior colour. Quote: "OK, I admit to frequent blonde moments but what's the big deal with keeping the numbers confidential?" Well, it is easy to make a fake if you have a correct set of numbers. I don't wont the hassle of my engine number turning up on another mini somewhere else. _________________ |
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| Author: | Flute [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:52 pm ] |
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Here is the link that may help. Cheers. http://www.ozcooper.com.au/build_dates.htm Based on the first two digits of your engine number it would have been built bewteen 03/67 and 06/67. Then there is the issue of when it was registered as opposed to when it was built. It is possible a car can be built in 67 but first registered in 68 and be known as a 68 from then on. ie, it could sit in a car yard for 6 months before being bought. |
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| Author: | bamnfi [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:56 pm ] |
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Thx Flute. I can understand that given the prices that Cooper motors command. Hair is now back to brown 
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| Author: | Panthersteve [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:06 pm ] |
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Flute wrote: Based on the first two digits of your engine number it would have been built bewteen 03/67 and 06/67..
Hi Based on the list that I have it would be a 4/67 dated car. Cheers Steve |
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| Author: | AEG163job [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:57 pm ] |
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Panthersteve wrote: Hi Based on the list that I have it would be a 4/67 dated car. Cheers Steve I agree with 4/67 build date. As for trim colours, my $20 is on: -beige or green seats, door trims etc -beige or green Westminster style carpet. |
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| Author: | Morris 1100 [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Mk 1 Cooper s info |
zep wrote: I have a Mk 1 Australian Cooper s with the following No.s I will just decode the numbers to make things a little clearer...
Ygk2s2 24** Eng No. 9FSay 44*** Colour 1/Toga White New British Racing Green/3 I am chasing any history on this car. eg. year and month of manufacture. Interior trim, racing history, intial place of sale. Does the /3 in the paint code signify anything special? Thanks Zep Car Number YKG2S2 24** Y = Origin Manufacture - Australia K = Name - Morris Cooper G = Engine Capacity 1000-1399cc 2S = Body - 2 Door Saloon. 2 = Series of Model - Mk1 Cooper S Engine Number 9FSay 44*** 9 = Capacity of Engine = 997/998. The 1275 Cooper S uses the code for a 9** engine for some reason, probably to claim more engines for homologation reasons! F = Variation of engine type Sa = Close Ratio, Remote Control Gearbox, Transverse. Y = ? (This digit usually refers to Compression ratio, usually H or L) Colour 1 = Enamel Toga White = Dulux code 08452. (according to Dulux this is a 65/66 colour.) 3 = Berger paints was the original supplier, Berger code 5929. (according to my BMC book this was a 65/66 colour.) |
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| Author: | drmini in aust [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:37 pm ] |
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The Y in the engine number means C/R is 9.75:1, I read in one of the Cooper Bibles..(Parnell?) |
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| Author: | Morris 1100 [ Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:03 pm ] |
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drmini in aust wrote: The Y in the engine number means C/R is 9.75:1, I read in one of the Cooper Bibles..(Parnell?) Cool! I will try to forget that for next time. 
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| Author: | zep [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 11:40 am ] |
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Thanks to all who have added their knowledge. Zep |
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| Author: | bmacpiper [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:48 am ] |
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Quote: have a look here to see what the numbers in the paint code mean
http://www.elevenhundred.com/colours.php Hey Simon, OK, here's a followup then. On that page, I see British Racing Green under 64, and again under 65, but with a different four-digit number after it. Would the 66 one be "New" BRG? That's what listed on my '66's plate, but have never seen a color on a chart actually containing the word "new", whereas other colors (i.e. New Cedar Green in the 66 column) do use the word "new". Lastly, were colors carried over, i.e. there is no BRG shown in 66, but it is there in 65--were they just using up the previous year's colors? tx, bmc |
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| Author: | bmacpiper [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 8:59 am ] |
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Quote: 1/Toga White
New British Racing Green/3 Hey Zep, I have a late '66 cooper s, and it has the same paint code, but with "11" between the two lines you listed above. I have original seat upholstery in the back and it was a pale green, as were the door cards. All are faded to grey by now, but the hidden areas (away from your infamous UV down there) are still pale green. The dash is covered in black vinyl, and the cards/liners for the bins on either side of the gauges were black also, but unknown if they are original vinyl, since the card material has been replaced. Carpet was black, but definitely not original. Anyone know if the dash stuff would normally be black, even with a colored interior upholstery? HTH, bmc |
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| Author: | Morris 1100 [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:31 pm ] |
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I have been making a few discoveries about paint colours recently. I acquired a BMC Accessories book and it includes a section on the BMC Tru Tone Retouch paints. It includes the Berger paint codes (Berger was the paint supplier to BMC in the 60s) According to the BMC book.... 1960-66 Hawthorne Green/British Racing Green 5185 1963-65 Cedar Green/British Racing Green 5656 1965-66 New Cedar Green/New British Racing Green 5258 Now the Dulux book lists... 1961 British Racing Green 00036 1964-65 British Racing Green 00862 1964-65 Cedar Green 06543 1966 New Cedar Green 01322 It is all confusing.....  BMC says that Hawthorne and BRG are the same, Cedar and BRG are the same and New Cedar and New BRG are the same.
Dulux does not mention Hawthorne and New BRG but it says the others are all different. My head hurts. 
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