I have a Mk 1 Australian Cooper s with the following No.s
Ygk2s2 24**
Eng No. 9FSay 44***
Colour
1/Toga White
New British Racing Green/3

I am chasing any history on this car. eg. year and month of manufacture. Interior trim, racing history, intial place of sale. Does the /3 in the paint code signify anything special?
Thanks
Zep

best not to publicise the numbers - people usually replace the last few numbers with *** (I've done it for you)

send a PM to Watto with the numbers to add to his register

have a look here to see what the numbers in the paint code mean

http://www.elevenhundred.com/colours.php

the /3 is the manufacturer, in this case, Berger

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did I tell you that I won a trophy?

OK, I admit to frequent blonde moments but what's the big deal with keeping the numbers confidential

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1964 Cooper UK 970 S 'CZ 4289'

I am no expert but hope this may help.

It will be hard to find out much, there were 4986 built. The plate on the fire wall wont tell you the date of manufacture, I will find the list that gives an approximate build date based on your number. Mine is 9FSAY49*** and is a 69 model, just before they changed to the MKII's.
I found out some deatils on mine and got the original number plate back by having a Vicroads rego archive search done. Even then they black out the name of the car yard and first owner but I have an idea which car yard it came from based on the police station it was registered at. You may be able to do the same in your state. Some people use the wiper motor date as the build date but that is not an accurate way to do it and there is the possibilty it has had a new wiper motor.
You ask about its racing history. Is it currently a racecar? It should have a cams log or they may have records if it was a racecar years ago.

I am not sure how you would work out the original interior colour.

Quote: "OK, I admit to frequent blonde moments but what's the big deal with keeping the numbers confidential?"

Well, it is easy to make a fake if you have a correct set of numbers. I don't wont the hassle of my engine number turning up on another mini somewhere else.
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Flute - 68 MK I Cooper S
Member: VMCI #2474
Member: International Mini Model Collectors Club

Here is the link that may help. Cheers.

http://www.ozcooper.com.au/build_dates.htm

Based on the first two digits of your engine number it would have been built bewteen 03/67 and 06/67.

Then there is the issue of when it was registered as opposed to when it was built. It is possible a car can be built in 67 but first registered in 68 and be known as a 68 from then on. ie, it could sit in a car yard for 6 months before being bought.

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Flute - 68 MK I Cooper S
Member: VMCI #2474
Member: International Mini Model Collectors Club

Thx Flute. I can understand that given the prices that Cooper motors command.
Hair is now back to brown

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1964 Cooper UK 970 S 'CZ 4289'

Hi

Based on the list that I have it would be a 4/67 dated car.

Cheers
Steve

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1964 998cc Cooper
1971 Mini K x 2
1972 Clubman GT

I agree with 4/67 build date.
As for trim colours, my $20 is on:
-beige or green seats, door trims etc
-beige or green Westminster style carpet.

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1967 Cooper S - new front bearings to do.
1965 Cooper S shell - Slow progress. No time or money!
1966 Deluxe- next rustoration!
Mk 2 & XJ6 Jags. Less said the better.

I will just decode the numbers to make things a little clearer...
Car Number YKG2S2 24**
Y = Origin Manufacture - Australia
K = Name - Morris Cooper
G = Engine Capacity 1000-1399cc
2S = Body - 2 Door Saloon.
2 = Series of Model - Mk1 Cooper S

Engine Number 9FSay 44***
9 = Capacity of Engine = 997/998. The 1275 Cooper S uses the code for a 9** engine for some reason, probably to claim more engines for homologation reasons!
F = Variation of engine type
Sa = Close Ratio, Remote Control Gearbox, Transverse.
Y = ? (This digit usually refers to Compression ratio, usually H or L)

Colour
1 = Enamel
Toga White = Dulux code 08452. (according to Dulux this is a 65/66 colour.)
3 = Berger paints was the original supplier, Berger code 5929. (according to my BMC book this was a 65/66 colour.)

The Y in the engine number means C/R is 9.75:1, I read in one of the Cooper Bibles..(Parnell?)

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DrMini- 1970 wasaMatic 1360, Mk1S crank, 86.6HP (ATW) =~125 @ crank, 45 Dellorto (38 chokes), RE282 sprint cam, 1.5 rockers, 11.0:1 C/R.

Cool! I will try to forget that for next time.

Thanks to all who have added their knowledge. Zep

Hey Simon,
OK, here's a followup then. On that page, I see British Racing Green under 64, and again under 65, but with a different four-digit number after it. Would the 66 one be "New" BRG? That's what listed on my '66's plate, but have never seen a color on a chart actually containing the word "new", whereas other colors (i.e. New Cedar Green in the 66 column) do use the word "new". Lastly, were colors carried over, i.e. there is no BRG shown in 66, but it is there in 65--were they just using up the previous year's colors?

tx,
bmc

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Ben McCafferty
Bainbridge Island, Washington, USA
1970 ex-police mk2 Cooper S

Hey Zep,
I have a late '66 cooper s, and it has the same paint code, but with "11" between the two lines you listed above. I have original seat upholstery in the back and it was a pale green, as were the door cards. All are faded to grey by now, but the hidden areas (away from your infamous UV down there) are still pale green. The dash is covered in black vinyl, and the cards/liners for the bins on either side of the gauges were black also, but unknown if they are original vinyl, since the card material has been replaced.

Carpet was black, but definitely not original.

Anyone know if the dash stuff would normally be black, even with a colored interior upholstery?

HTH,
bmc

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Ben McCafferty
Bainbridge Island, Washington, USA
1970 ex-police mk2 Cooper S

I have been making a few discoveries about paint colours recently. I acquired a BMC Accessories book and it includes a section on the BMC Tru Tone Retouch paints. It includes the Berger paint codes (Berger was the paint supplier to BMC in the 60s)
According to the BMC book....
1960-66 Hawthorne Green/British Racing Green 5185
1963-65 Cedar Green/British Racing Green 5656
1965-66 New Cedar Green/New British Racing Green 5258

Now the Dulux book lists...
1961 British Racing Green 00036
1964-65 British Racing Green 00862
1964-65 Cedar Green 06543
1966 New Cedar Green 01322

It is all confusing..... BMC says that Hawthorne and BRG are the same, Cedar and BRG are the same and New Cedar and New BRG are the same.
Dulux does not mention Hawthorne and New BRG but it says the others are all different.
My head hurts.