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It's old, but as new! Dated 93.

Is a supersprint a speed event, or a non-speed event like a motorkhana or khanacross?

1 “Not valid after XXXX” shown on each strap as detailed below:
• For International events, safety harnesses must not be used after 31 December of the year stated (XXXX).
• For all other events, safety harnesses must not be used after 31 December, five years after the year stated (XXXX).
Please note: The extension of the safety harness validity detailed above for non–International events is subject to the following conditions:
• safety harnesses must be inspected under the targeted during the normal scrutiny process;
• each competitor must inspect and replace any damaged or worn safety harness before any competition as required.

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WTF?

So is "XXXX" the year of manufacture or the 'used by date'?

Author:	poeee [ Sun May 03, 2009 7:52 pm ]
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Is there some kind of ruling about the age of a harness (ie seatbelts) and not being legal (in the eyes of CAMS) if it's too old? Re Speed events (autocross). I've tried searching the CAMS manual, but failed. Haha.

Author:	aaron [ Sun May 03, 2009 7:54 pm ]
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it has recently changed actually. dated belts now last longer in motorkhana, khana and supersprints. What that age is, haven't clue. Call CAMS and ask em. Your paying for it, use the service!

Author:	poeee [ Sun May 03, 2009 7:56 pm ]
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It's old, but as new! Dated 93. Is a supersprint a speed event, or a non-speed event like a motorkhana or khanacross?

Author:	Blokeinamoke [ Sun May 03, 2009 8:01 pm ]
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Make sure its a CAMS event not the other mob. One of them just changed the life of safety equipment.

Author:	poeee [ Sun May 03, 2009 8:05 pm ]
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Definately CAMS.

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Author:	Morris 1100 [ Sun May 03, 2009 8:06 pm ]
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CAMS decided to blindly follow the FIA and introduced a five year age limit on belts. (CAMS is supposed to be our representative to the FIA and is not supposed to be the Australian arm of the FIA) After a lot of negotiation they backed down after they set up a safety research committee to look into the effects of age on belts. The committee found that there was very little effect so CAMS has changed the rules. (one member of the committee was the bloke that invented the six point harness in the first place, it was his good work that led to the overthrow of this stupid rule) I don't recall what the new rules are but they are not black and white, they still have various shades of grey in the rules. You need to look up the current CAMS manual and try and find the CAMS bulletin that covers the change. You will also need to carry the copies of the rules and bulletin to show the officials. They will probably still not believe you as they flick through their 2005 edition of the Manual. I have very little time for CAMS. (actually none at all in the past ten years) They are an incompetent bunch of fools that think they have a god given right to tax motorsport out of existence.

Author:	Morris 1100 [ Sun May 03, 2009 8:08 pm ]
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poeee wrote: It's old, but as new! Dated 93. Is a supersprint a speed event, or a non-speed event like a motorkhana or khanacross? A supersprint is a speed event.

Author:	doogie [ Sun May 03, 2009 8:09 pm ]
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Harnesses had a life of 5 years, however CAMS changed the ruling to 10 years last year, lucky for me as the harnesses in my new Cooper S are 2007 dated, at least i can get some use out of them now. Doogie

Author:	poeee [ Sun May 03, 2009 8:14 pm ]
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Quote: 1 “Not valid after XXXX” shown on each strap as detailed below: • For International events, safety harnesses must not be used after 31 December of the year stated (XXXX). • For all other events, safety harnesses must not be used after 31 December, five years after the year stated (XXXX). Please note: The extension of the safety harness validity detailed above for non–International events is subject to the following conditions: • safety harnesses must be inspected under the targeted during the normal scrutiny process; • each competitor must inspect and replace any damaged or worn safety harness before any competition as required. WTF? So is "XXXX" the year of manufacture or the 'used by date'?

Author:	Morris 1100 [ Sun May 03, 2009 8:17 pm ]
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The last time I worked on a V8 touring car was just after the introduction of the five year rule. The car was fitted with a belt that was about 12 years old. So out came a very fine texta and the date was changed to a more recent one. Something like changing a 93 to an 03. Funny that they extended the limit from 5 to 10 years. The research showed that there was no loss of integrity after 5 years. It also said that there was none after 15 years. There is some silly part of the 10 year rule that I can't remember. It may be that FIA labled belts are exempt or it only applies to FIA belts, I can't remember. But it is important.

Author:	Morris 1100 [ Sun May 03, 2009 8:20 pm ]
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poeee wrote: Quote: 1 “Not valid after XXXX” shown on each strap as detailed below: • For International events, safety harnesses must not be used after 31 December of the year stated (XXXX). • For all other events, safety harnesses must not be used after 31 December, five years after the year stated (XXXX). Please note: The extension of the safety harness validity detailed above for non–International events is subject to the following conditions: • safety harnesses must be inspected under the targeted during the normal scrutiny process; • each competitor must inspect and replace any damaged or worn safety harness before any competition as required. WTF? So is "XXXX" the year of manufacture or the 'used by date'? XXXX should be the manufactured date. So according to that it is a five year rule. But we know different. Keep looking for the bulletin.

Author:	poeee [ Sun May 03, 2009 8:33 pm ]
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Nope can't find. I guess i'll not use my perfect 4 point harness, and put an old lap-sash in simply because it's not dated and can use it in speed events. Now that's SAFETY for you!

Author:	bnicho [ Sun May 03, 2009 9:33 pm ]
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Keep the lap-sah belt and fit a harness as well. My harness is out of date, but I've never had an issue using it in autocross, but I still have a standard lap-sash in place just in case. Cheers,

Author:	Morris 1100 [ Sun May 03, 2009 9:36 pm ]
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Get your car clubs to leave CAMS and take control of your destiny.

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Author:	Number86 [ Mon May 04, 2009 9:08 am ]
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My understanding is that the XXXX on FIA spec belts is the 'use by' date, which has now been extended. So my 2007 dated belt can now be used until the end of 2012. If I choose to use the glorified lap sash harness that is 1.5" wide that came with my car (1980's era cheap harness), that is fine in the eyes of our friends at CAMS, because it has no date. Crazy!!! My 3" six point harness was used 4 times and was then no good until they extended the dates last year. Check CAMS website for bulletin. I am fairly sure that if your belt has the FIA date, it does not matter if it is being used in a speed or non-speed event for the date rule to be effective.