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I've got no problem with enforcing good safety standards on cars, but a better way to write it would be that all parts must be unmodified, off-the-shelf components, with a safety check afterwards (i.e. wheel alignment

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See thats sensible, but do you expect the ministers/police/transport authorities to be sensible.

“Raising a vehicle’s suspension can also reduce the driver’s ability to see pedestrians and cyclists, and higher headlights can startle other road users,” Mr Daley said.

who can lower their car more then 5 cm anyway? i hate it how they refer to everyone with a lowered car as a hoon... sh!ts me both my cars are lowered correctly with proper springs and shockers fitted.. im a p plater though so am i a hoon?

how about the high lift kits on 4wd's? they're worse on the road then anything!

how about the high lift kits on 4wd's? theyre worse on the road then anything!

Michael Daley today announced that car hoons who raise or lower their cars’ suspension will have to meet tough new rules.

Author:	gafmo [ Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:04 pm ]
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Got told about this by one of the ladies at work. While most of the time it won't affect us as we just can't lower or Raise a Mini by 5 cm but it may affect you for your other cars. The 4WD are screaming at this new rule http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/newsevents/do ... rhoons.pdf NSW MINISTER FOR ROADS MICHAEL DALEY MP NEWS RELEASE TOUGH NEW RULES FOR CAR HOONS Thursday 16 July 2009 Minister for Roads Michael Daley today announced that car hoons who raise or lower their cars’ suspension will have to meet tough new rules. Mr Daley said car owners would be limited to raising or lowering their suspension by no more than 5 centimetres from August 1 2009, and all modifications would need engineering approval. “These changes mean every driver who modifies the suspension on their car must have it approved to make sure it’s safe to be on our roads,” he said. “At the moment, vehicles can be raised or lowered by up to 5 centimetres without approval, and by up to 15 centimetres with authorised engineering approval. “I don’t want to see young hoons putting their lives or the lives of others at risk, just because they think their car looks better 15 centimetres closer to the ground. “These hoons may think their car looks cool, but as far as I’m concerned anything more than a 5 centimetre change in a car’s suspension is dangerous and doesn’t belong on our roads. “Raising or lowering a vehicle’s height can put the driver, passengers, and other road users at risk. “It can affect handling, braking and safety features such as electronic stability control. “It can also change the position of vital impact-absorbing sections of a car, designed to reduce the severity of a crash. “Raising a vehicle’s suspension can also reduce the driver’s ability to see pedestrians and cyclists, and higher headlights can startle other road users,” Mr Daley said. Mr Daley said any vehicle being raised or lowered would require certification stating the modifications conform to safety standard requirements. “The changes also mean any modifications must meet specific requirements such as the vehicle having at least 10 centimetres ground clearance. “Vehicles raised above the 5 centimetre limit will only be granted conditional registration for use under specified conditions like competing in an off road competition,” Mr Daley said.

Author:	Drexxle [ Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:09 pm ]
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great, this can only influence more police state politics throughout other states. When will these goons realise they are there to represent us the people, and please the many and not the few. AUSTRALIA - POLICE STATE - TICK

Author:	850man [ Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:10 pm ]
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its about time, most lowered cars are done poorly and drive like a tank.

Author:	MiniPete [ Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:16 pm ]
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Yeah, about time... No more CIG lowering springs for the Ricers

Author:	Kennomini [ Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:18 pm ]
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At the moment, vehicles can be raised or lowered by up to 5 centimetres without approval, and by up to 15 centimetres with authorised engineering approval. Vehicles raised above the 5 centimetre limit will only be granted conditional registration for use under specified conditions like competing in an off road competition. So even if your 4x4 is mod plated you can only use it on four wheel drive race tracks? now I'm all for the mod plates, I want the other cars around me to be safe but making them comply to safety and roadworthy standards and then only allow restricted use is absolutely stupid . I just hope the cops and transport authorities test these cars properly. If a car is thought to be lowered beyond the 5cm limit and not mod plated technically the authorities should remove all extra weight from the car and test it on a completely flat surface, but I bet you they wont.

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Author:	Tadhg [ Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:29 pm ]
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My Pathfinder's been raised (roughly) 50mm. I have to say, after I got it lifted, it handled much better. Because it hadn't had an alignment when it left the dealer, and it genuinely needed one. Badly. I also lowered my first Mini - Hi-Los made by a mate's brother (mate was well-known in local Mini club, Hi-Los were cast alloy made in a foundry - they were good quality), new rubber springs, and Monroe shocks. It rode beautifully. Well, the Gas front shocks could've been a bit softer, but it rode much better than any of my mate's cars (which were all stock - and not Minis). I think they're being a bit silly with it all. I've got no problem with enforcing good safety standards on cars, but a better way to write it would be that all parts must be unmodified, off-the-shelf components, with a safety check afterwards (i.e. wheel alignment - by someone like the bloke in Angusdog's thread in General Discussion), or the (modified/manufactured) components must be certified. That would make cut springs illegal. Spring spacers, well... Aren't they already illegal? Like wheel spacers? So, if the police find your car's too low, or they can see where you've cut your springs, you're nicked. Otherwise... Fine.

Author:	Drexxle [ Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:41 pm ]
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Quote: I've got no problem with enforcing good safety standards on cars, but a better way to write it would be that all parts must be unmodified, off-the-shelf components, with a safety check afterwards (i.e. wheel alignment See thats sensible, but do you expect the ministers/police/transport authorities to be sensible.

Author:	Mister White Keys [ Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:58 pm ]
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So how many people know the factory standard ride height of a mini off the top of their head? How many people know the standard ride height of any car off the top of their heads? How do you tell if a car is 5cm higher or lower than it a number that you don't know? If your driving like an idiot, they'll get you. If your not, they won't. My two cents anyways

Author:	Tombo [ Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:02 pm ]
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Drexxle wrote: Quote: I've got no problem with enforcing good safety standards on cars, but a better way to write it would be that all parts must be unmodified, off-the-shelf components, with a safety check afterwards (i.e. wheel alignment See thats sensible, but do you expect the ministers/police/transport authorities to be sensible. The way the law makers would see this is as an option to modify easily inside the law, they don't want to be seen to allow any easy mods. Quote: “Raising a vehicle’s suspension can also reduce the driver’s ability to see pedestrians and cyclists, and higher headlights can startle other road users,” Mr Daley said. Does this mean 4X4's behind minis should be lowered substantially to be safe to other drivers?

Author:	Mick [ Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:16 pm ]
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Dropping a sedan by 5 centimeters makes a big difference in how the wheels fill the arches, it can look quite nice.... Raising a 4wd by 5 cm isn't a speck on the arse of the results the 4wd guys are chasing. From that you could argue its an attack on the 4wd guys more than its an attack on the skyline and silvia set..

Author:	willy [ Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:26 pm ]
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2" drop on most cars these days is quite a lot!! Who really cares - follow the rules and you will be OK. Don't follow them, and see how long you can get away with it for.

Author:	meeni [ Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:34 pm ]
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who can lower their car more then 5 cm anyway? i hate it how they refer to everyone with a lowered car as a hoon... sh!ts me both my cars are lowered correctly with proper springs and shockers fitted.. im a p plater though so am i a hoon? how about the high lift kits on 4wd's? theyre worse on the road then anything!

Author:	blueminivan [ Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:59 pm ]
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meeni wrote: who can lower their car more then 5 cm anyway? i hate it how they refer to everyone with a lowered car as a hoon... sh!ts me both my cars are lowered correctly with proper springs and shockers fitted.. im a p plater though so am i a hoon? how about the high lift kits on 4wd's? they're worse on the road then anything! Well my 50mm lift kit in my 4wd with it's mud chucking tyres was lifted correctly with proper springs and shocks. It also handles quite well thank you very much. Now that sh1ts me! But if you are referring to body lifts and shackle extensions then you may have a point and maybe they should have some kind limitations on their usage on road.

Author:	NAV [ Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:09 pm ]
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meeni wrote: who can lower their car more then 5 cm anyway? i hate it how they refer to everyone with a lowered car as a hoon... sh!ts me both my cars are lowered correctly with proper springs and shockers fitted.. im a p plater though so am i a hoon? Yes Sean it's implied with your P's, I'm not picking on you, it was the same when I was a P plater as well . meeni wrote: how about the high lift kits on 4wd's? theyre worse on the road then anything! You've never driven a properly sorted 4x4 that's been lifted have you? I have had a lifted 4x4 in the past and it handled very well on road. You of all people here should understand the benefit of suspension that is set up properly. But it appears as though the law is aimed squarely at the lowest common denominator and not common sense. And as said before "not legal for road use" should be banned from being sold. Those same items you see clogging the shelves at Repco, Autobarn, Supercheap and many many more other smaller chains.

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Author:	cush [ Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:29 pm ]
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gafmo wrote: Michael Daley today announced that car hoons who raise or lower their cars’ suspension will have to meet tough new rules. There you go, if you're not a hoon, you can lower it all you like.