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Engine Conversion Guidelines

All vehicles originally weighing less than 800 kg.

Naturally Aspirated - Original weight (kg) x 3.0 = max. capacity in cc’s

Forced Induction - Original weight (kg) x 2.5 = max. capacity in cc’s

All vehicles originally weighing between 800 kg and 1100 kg.

Naturally Aspirated - Original weight (kg) x 4.0 = max. capacity in cc’s

Forced Induction - Original weight (kg) x 2.75 = max. capacity in cc’s

All vehicles originally weighing more than 1100 kg.

Naturally Aspirated - Original weight (kg) x 5.0 = max. capacity in cc’s

Forced Induction - Original weight (kg) x 3.0 = max. capacity in cc’s

The weight of the vehicle referred to in the table is the original (unmodified) tare weight of the model vehicle fitted with the largest engine available for the model but without optional accessories (air conditioning, tow bars etc). The weight of the vehicle whether it is a sedan, station wagon, utility, etc, should be based on the heaviest sedan version of the model (not station wagon version). The engine capacity to be used for rotary engines is twice the swept volume of all rotors (eg a 13B rotary engine has a swept volume of 1308 cc giving a “capacity” of 2616 cc).

So how much is it?

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So im just exploring the legal issues of an engine conversion.

If you want extra weight to play with, get a rover mini.
They're round nose and will be a hell of a lot easier to get a big engine into as they came out standard with sound deadening and other luxuries.

Plus you wont be hacking the nose off a car thats becoming increasingly uncommon.

blue_deluxe wrote:

But, there is way less room under the bonnet than with any Clubby?? :shock:

(which is why more Starlets get put in Clubbies than in roundies).

Isn't there also a problem with putting Hondas in a RHD Mini- where the steering box fouls the transmission? That's why they lengthen the front (and spoil its looks).

Author:	James Dean [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:36 pm ]
Post subject:	'65 Morris mini's weight.
So how much is it? Quote: Engine Conversion Guidelines All vehicles originally weighing less than 800 kg. Naturally Aspirated - Original weight (kg) x 3.0 = max. capacity in cc’s Forced Induction - Original weight (kg) x 2.5 = max. capacity in cc’s All vehicles originally weighing between 800 kg and 1100 kg. Naturally Aspirated - Original weight (kg) x 4.0 = max. capacity in cc’s Forced Induction - Original weight (kg) x 2.75 = max. capacity in cc’s All vehicles originally weighing more than 1100 kg. Naturally Aspirated - Original weight (kg) x 5.0 = max. capacity in cc’s Forced Induction - Original weight (kg) x 3.0 = max. capacity in cc’s The weight of the vehicle referred to in the table is the original (unmodified) tare weight of the model vehicle fitted with the largest engine available for the model but without optional accessories (air conditioning, tow bars etc). The weight of the vehicle whether it is a sedan, station wagon, utility, etc, should be based on the heaviest sedan version of the model (not station wagon version). The engine capacity to be used for rotary engines is twice the swept volume of all rotors (eg a 13B rotary engine has a swept volume of 1308 cc giving a “capacity” of 2616 cc). So im just exploring the legal issues of an engine conversion.

Author:	Morris 1100 [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:39 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Leyland mini's weight.
James Dean wrote: So how much is it? Quote: Engine Conversion Guidelines All vehicles originally weighing less than 800 kg. Naturally Aspirated - Original weight (kg) x 3.0 = max. capacity in cc’s Forced Induction - Original weight (kg) x 2.5 = max. capacity in cc’s All vehicles originally weighing between 800 kg and 1100 kg. Naturally Aspirated - Original weight (kg) x 4.0 = max. capacity in cc’s Forced Induction - Original weight (kg) x 2.75 = max. capacity in cc’s All vehicles originally weighing more than 1100 kg. Naturally Aspirated - Original weight (kg) x 5.0 = max. capacity in cc’s Forced Induction - Original weight (kg) x 3.0 = max. capacity in cc’s The weight of the vehicle referred to in the table is the original (unmodified) tare weight of the model vehicle fitted with the largest engine available for the model but without optional accessories (air conditioning, tow bars etc). The weight of the vehicle whether it is a sedan, station wagon, utility, etc, should be based on the heaviest sedan version of the model (not station wagon version). The engine capacity to be used for rotary engines is twice the swept volume of all rotors (eg a 13B rotary engine has a swept volume of 1308 cc giving a “capacity” of 2616 cc). So im just exploring the legal issues of an engine conversion. It does not matter what answer I or anyone on this forum gives. It is the weight that the rego authorities in your state give that matters. (it will be different to what I will say) So what is the weight on your rego papers?

Author:	blue_deluxe [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:49 pm ]
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I talked to an engineer a few weeks ago about my starlet conversion. He said it was the heaviest saloon without air con. So i could go up to about 1500cc's forced induction. There is a way you could get around it by basing it on the ERA turbo. So you could get a stock metro turbo engine and fit the appropriate brakes and not require engineers approval, just an approved person to check it over. But that was last week, so it all couldve changed,

Author:	James Dean [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 6:56 pm ]
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im looking at an NA honda engine. So no numbers as such? I don't have rego papers as its just a shell. Oh and its actually a 1965 morris not a leyland. My bad.

Author:	sports850 [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 7:34 pm ]
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from a 1959 UK 850 brochure , 1331 lb (591 kg) . From a 1962 Australian 850 brochure , 12 cwt . From a 1965 Australian brochure , morris mini minor , 1390 lb , morris de luxe , 1435 lb , cooper s , 1463 lb , mini.matic , 1488 lb . From a 1970 Australian brochure , mini 1100 standard , 1390 lb , mini k , 1437 lb , cooper s 1576 lb , mini.matic , 1491 lb (how did the cooper s gain 100 plus lb in 5 years ?) . The clubman brochures don't list the kerbside weight .

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Author:	blue_deluxe [ Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:16 pm ]
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If you want extra weight to play with, get a rover mini. They're round nose and will be a hell of a lot easier to get a big engine into as they came out standard with sound deadening and other luxuries. Plus you wont be hacking the nose off a car thats becoming increasingly uncommon.

Author:	drmini in aust [ Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:57 am ]
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blue_deluxe wrote: If you want extra weight to play with, get a rover mini. They're round nose and will be a hell of a lot easier to get a big engine into as they came out standard with sound deadening and other luxuries. Plus you wont be hacking the nose off a car thats becoming increasingly uncommon. But, there is way less room under the bonnet than with any Clubby?? (which is why more Starlets get put in Clubbies than in roundies). Isn't there also a problem with putting Hondas in a RHD Mini- where the steering box fouls the transmission? That's why they lengthen the front (and spoil its looks).

Author:	blue_deluxe [ Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:19 pm ]
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drmini in aust wrote: blue_deluxe wrote: If you want extra weight to play with, get a rover mini. They're round nose and will be a hell of a lot easier to get a big engine into as they came out standard with sound deadening and other luxuries. Plus you wont be hacking the nose off a car thats becoming increasingly uncommon. But, there is way less room under the bonnet than with any Clubby?? (which is why more Starlets get put in Clubbies than in roundies). Isn't there also a problem with putting Hondas in a RHD Mini- where the steering box fouls the transmission? That's why they lengthen the front (and spoil its looks). Yeah, and the gearbox is on the right (when driving rhd) so theres driveshafts and everything else in the way of the steering. But there is a subframe mob (Allspeed) in the uk that has got a subframe to fit a roundy without an extension. But it requires rather pricey shortened extractors, that would flow worse than stock. I looked into it a few years ago, and i think someone on this forum has one of their frames, and it cost him more and still requires compliancing with an engineer over here. These are some of the reasons why starlets are more common over here. And using vtec is generally illegal fun. As vtec kicks in around 6000 rpm, so in 3rd youll be well over the 100k mark, and in 2nd youll be pushing it pretty fine. Whereas boost kicks in at 2500-3000 rpm and feels like a boot up the arse to the car. Which is rarely boring.

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