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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:17 pm 
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Quick question for everyone, the flywheel straps, from the flywheel to the clutch plate, do you have to use two on top of each other or can you get away with one only? i have seen some with three and some with one. how many should be used?

does the diaphram spring look flat enough in these pics? i may need to get more light in there so you can see it better. the more i look at it, the more i think its not flat enough.

here is a link to some pics of my setup.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:13 pm 
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Standard they have 2 flywheel drive straps per post, so that is a total of 6 drive straps for the flywheel assembly. Sorry the pics are a little dark to properly see the bevel spring, hovever, looking at the backing plate post height, as assembled, and assuming a new clutch plate, looks about right.

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I check the angle on the diaphragm by sitting a 3mm drill shank against it, in one of the 3 spots where there is room, and sighting it off the flywheel.
It's then obvious if she ain't flat.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:08 pm 
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Took another couple of pics. bit more light on these. what do you think?

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I have this pic below someone gave me as a guide, it looks around the same as mine. what do you think. i will try the 3mm drill bit trick tomorrow.

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do you think it would need to be flatter than this?

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It really is very hard to see in those pics...
What I do if it still isn't flat is reassemble with 1 set of straps removed, if still not flat then, with both sets removed (just for measurement purposes). Straps are about .035" thick (from memory). This gives you an idea how much to machine off the 3 backplate lugs.
Some people use a hydraulic press and a dial gauge to measure how far it is assembled from flat, handy I guess- if you have a press...

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If you have assembled the thing with the clutch plate, then certainly is not right. I turn them up the other way to check, is easier to see the diaphram. Go with Kev's suggestion of removing a clutch strap at a time, they measure .032" - .033".

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:30 pm 
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ok cheers guys 8)

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decided that seeing as i am about to send the entire rotating assembly to chiltons to be balanced, i might as well request he set it up correctly for me. i am sure he will have the equipment ot machine the posts down and align the diaphram flat.

thanks guys. 8)

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URGENT REPLY PLEASE

just spoke to chiltons, have all the parts in my car, was about to take them all straight over today.

he has mentioned he wants me to supply the measurement to machine down the three posts. i am not sure what measurement to give him.

when i removed the origonal flywheel assy from the car it only had one of each strap fitted and it never slipped.

now i have fitted the two straps i think it is not tight enough.

do you think if i get the posts machined the thickness of one strap (35 thou) it should be about right?

am taking the parts to chiltons about 2pm today.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:41 pm 
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Hey Jester

I think you have been referred to this page before, but it is really the best written piece about mini clutches out there :

http://www.minimania.com/web/SCatagory/ ... ticleV.cfm

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First we need to determine whether the spring is indeed flat, and if not, how to make it so. Figure 5 shows the simple test rig to figure this out. My test setup used a drill press to force the spring down, but a hydraulic press, arbor press or milling machine would do the same job. Essentially the same effect could be derived by inserting a long bolt through the thrust-bearing plate and pulling the spring down by screwing it in. Note that you'll have to make the bolt on a lathe since the thread on both ends of the crank is a bastard 5/8" x 16 TPI UNS thread.

Since the diaphragm is very difficult to photograph, a ghost cross section is superimposed for clarity. With the flywheel suspended at the rim, the backing plate can float freely as the spring is compressed. The dial gauge is placed on one of the backing plate bolts and zeroed. The spring can then be compressed until the diaphragm is parallel to the flywheel and the dial gauge read. For the tests reported here, 0.060" of compression was required to flatten the spring. This amount must then be machined off the backing plate posts. Having to take material off the posts usually arises when either of the friction faces have been. To complete the setup, new spacers should be fabricated so that the drive straps are also parallel to the flywheel, especially if there has been material taken off the back of the flywheel for lightening.


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Don't know if it will be of much use to you now @ 12:40pm!

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The posts on the Backing Plate should be 1.00" above the friction face, however that needs to be reduced by what ever amount comes off the flywheel friction face.

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If enough comes off the post you may then need new spacers to adjust the other end of the strap

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No worries, thanks guys. I have the spacers for the other end of the straps.

I have asked him to remove 35 thou from the posts, the thickness of one strap. this should bring it back to where it was when i removed/swapped the setup around from the origonal 1 peice flywheel etc.

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If anything has come off the face of the flywheel &/or the pressure plate you WILL need new spacers - different height

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