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Author:  Cooper_Matrikon [ Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Suspension Geometry - Kit's installed, now I'm worried!
I'm about to order the MSSK3013 kit from Minispares in the UK and I have a couple of questions.

Firstly - does anyone have this kit available in Australia? Postage is a killer even with this months discount coupon code!
Will there be any dramas with 12" wheels?
Are there any guides around on how to fit?
How much adjustment can you do yourself/are there any old school tricks for determining °'s?
Anyone have any pics of fitting theirs?

I've trawled through Ausmini looking at different posts on geometry and I get the impression that you install and then take it to the 'suspension man' and have it adjusted. Would be kind of cool if they had markings to denote °'s but I doubt it!

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Author:  sgc [ Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Suspension Geometry
Cooper_Matrikon wrote:
I've trawled through Ausmini looking at different posts on geometry and I get the impression that you install and then take it to the 'suspension man' and have it adjusted. Would be kind of cool if they had markings to denote °'s but I doubt it!


The sad fact is that no two Mini's are the same, especially after 40 years. You really do need to fit them and measure, then adjust, then measure, then adjust, etc. To do this properly, yes, you need alignment equipment and the best place to do this is ...

You can do it yourself, though. It's not hard to make up a reasonably accurate camber gauge, and a castor gauge for that matter too (I have made both). Toe is pretty easy to measure using either string lines or bars, but frankly I'd rather pay $60 and have it professionally adjusted and measured within a poofteenth than frig around for a few hours and get it there-or-thereabouts.
Author:  Cooper_Matrikon [ Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:15 pm ]
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Thanks for the tips Simon. Any pics of your camber gauge/how to make one???
Author:  sgc [ Tue Jan 11, 2011 2:23 pm ]
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Cooper_Matrikon wrote:
Thanks for the tips Simon. Any pics of your camber gauge/how to make one???


Have a look at this thread - photo's and tutorial are there or linked :D
Author:  Cooper_Matrikon [ Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:02 pm ]
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Just found this... A few apps out there including TiltMeter and Clinometer. Will be handy.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=325556

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Author:  Cooper_Matrikon [ Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:09 pm ]
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Even more speccy...

http://appshopper.com/utilities/ialign

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Author:  sgc [ Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:45 pm ]
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Yeah, if you trust the sensors in an iPhone. I've never found them to be terribly reliable..
Author:  Morris 1100 [ Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:53 pm ]
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It surprises me how someone can spend a lot of time and effort to make a cars suspension fully adjustable without having to tools or the knowledge to actually make the adjustments.
Just buy a camber/caster gauge and learn how to use it. You can pick them up for less than $100.
Author:  Cooper_Matrikon [ Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:05 pm ]
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Thanks for the tip Morris1100, but it all comes under 1 word - "budget". Does that surprise you? I'm looking at getting the thing into some semblance of a reasonable setup and then fine tune with the pro's from there.
Author:  Cooper_Matrikon [ Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:09 pm ]
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And I profusely apologise for the lack of knowledge! :oops:
Author:  Morris 1100 [ Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:03 pm ]
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Sorry, I am not trying to bag you for a lack of knowledge. :oops:
I just can't see the point in fitting adjustable suspension if you don't know how to adjust it or even how to adjust it.
Wheel alignment is not a black art performed by scientist/magicians. Most wheel alignments are done by lowly paid and poorly trained monkeys.

You either need a very good and trustworthy alignment place or you need to learn how to do it yourself. The middle ground is very worrying.
Author:  graham in aus [ Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:07 pm ]
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You could always borrow somebody elses gauge :?

I wonder who might have one? :lol:

Let me know when the parts arrive! :P

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Author:  Cooper_Matrikon [ Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:10 pm ]
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The plan is to find out as much information as I can from Ausminiers (tips, tricks, pitfalls, suggestions, horror stories, etc) and learn. I can assure you that the adjustability of this suspension and the hours of tweaking and tuning will not be lost on me.
Author:  mini_mad_matt [ Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:47 pm ]
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I found less then a year ago, it was cheaper to buy the same sort of kit from huddersfield spares and pay postage then to buy the equivalent here (not including postage). And when i say cheaper i'm talking like roughly 30% if i'm remembering right
Author:  Cooper_Matrikon [ Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:15 pm ]
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I think it comes in around $260 landed (and that's with a set of new mats for $30). So I guess I cant really complain. Will order tomorrow.
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