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Author:  DRNCOOPERS [ Sun Aug 21, 2011 7:24 pm ]
Post subject:  What's MK2 Cooper S Numbers worth$$$$
As title says, what would body numbers YGS4??? be worth, any ideas.
Thanks
Author:  simon k [ Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:08 pm ]
Post subject: 
just the numbers aren't worth anything - chopping them off and welding them into another car is against the law
Author:  origmini [ Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:22 am ]
Post subject:  Authenticity
WHEN IS A COOPER 'S' , NOT A COOPER 'S'

Recently ,I was posed the question,as to the authenticity of a MK 2 Cooper 'S'. I believe that the Body Number alone,if its original,
constitutes this claim.In support of this argument,I refer you to the events below.
From the factory,Mini K's,Deluxes and MK2 Cooper 'S's begin their journey along the assembly line.The same guards,doors bonnets,
floor pans,rear quarters,bulkheads,turrets and other body panels are assembled to form one of the above mentioned cars.When the body
of either is complete ,it is modified and stamped according to the orders.If it is a Cooper 'S',it then accepts its disc brakes,twin
tanks 1275 engine and gearbox,oil cooler etc.Depending on when it was made and sent to the dealers ,it then may be fitted with a
compliance plate.
Once sold,accidents,rust and fire may lead to deterioration of the body, which could lead into the following scenarios.
A rusted guard is replaced.Is it still a Cooper 'S'? A RH Door,RH Quarter Panel,RH Tank and Bootlid are replaced through accident.
Is it still a Cooper 'S'? The whole floor has to be replaced after damaging it, on passing over a speed hump.Is it still a Cooper 'S'?
A tree falls on the turret and bends the car like a banana.The whole body is rebuilt around the only surviving part ,the radiator
surround that contains the body number.Is it still a Cooper 'S'?
I think the general idea is conveyed.I believe that if a Cooper 'S'is rebuilt around its original stamping it can still be
classified as a Cooper 'S'.I have not disregarded other features pertinent to MK 2 Cooper 'S's. ON checking with the Roads and Traffic
Authority (R.T.A.), if you simply stamp the VIN Number on the radiator shroud or weld that Number Section on ,then the car is said to be
rebirthed.However ,if the car is rebuilt around the radiator shroud(inner guard) it would not be classified as rebirthing.All parts
could be replaced(i.e. guards,bulkhead,rearcut,roof,floors etc).Authenticity could be also assisted with receipt and photo of the original car.No doubt if a Cooper S had taken a severe hit on the Left Front Guard,destroying the radiator surround ,I'm sure that the purists
would restamp the shroud,to maintain the Cooper S status.This action -totally illegal according to the R.T.A.
Many veteran ,vintage and classic vehicles have been rebuilt by collecting chassis,bodies,engines,bits and pieces etc.,from all over the World,to form collectable vehicle. Many are them are sold and their authenticity is never questioned, but, simply admired .
Author:  paul_ewins [ Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:39 am ]
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Ok, forget the bolt on panels. If the amount of replacement parts that you weld on to the car is more than the parts you retain then you are squarely in rebirthing territory. That is the basis of the cut-and-shut schemes, take two cars and make one. Replace the roof, fine. Replace the floor, fine. New front guards sure. But swap your firewall and rad shroud into another car - no way.

Back in the day you could get replacement shells and that is a slightly different story since I don't believe they were ever given an ID. Nowadays if your shell is too far gone to repair then that is that. If all you have left is the ID number then frame it and hang it on the wall.
Author:  bamnfi [ Mon Aug 22, 2011 10:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: What's MK2 Cooper S Numbers worth$$$$
DRNCOOPERS wrote:
As title says, what would body numbers YGS4??? be worth, any ideas.
Thanks


Um, maybe I'm blonde, I don't understand the original question :oops: :oops:
Author:  DRNCOOPERS [ Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What's MK2 Cooper S Numbers worth$$$$
bamnfi wrote:
DRNCOOPERS wrote:
As title says, what would body numbers YGS4??? be worth, any ideas.
Thanks


Um, maybe I'm blonde, I don't understand the original question :oops: :oops:


I'll make it simple, if one was to purchase serial numbers from a MK 2 cooper S, that was destroyed long ago, what would be a price one would expect to pay.
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Author:  sgc [ Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What's MK2 Cooper S Numbers worth$$$$
DRNCOOPERS wrote:
Don't try and make out on here that nobody hasn't done it.
I am sure there are many opinons on here.


The AusMini Rules wrote:

8. Discussion of illegal activities such as software and music piracy or traffic violations are not allowed.



Buying, stealing or copying the numbers from another car and applying them to a different car is illegal. Period. Don't try and make out on here that you don't understand that.

Discussion ends.
Author:  paul_ewins [ Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:08 pm ]
Post subject: 
Meanwhile, back in the 1970s:
"Police are clamping down on dealers who make fortunes selling stolen cars which have been cut in half and welded to other vehicles, said Superintendent Hackett from the wheel of his E-type combine harvester today."
(for anyone who remembers "The Two Ronnies")
Author:  TheMiniMan [ Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:18 pm ]
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i think the numbers are worth whatever someone wants to pay

but the Illegalities of purchasing body numbers & plates are nil,,, zero, zilch,,, it`s quite reasonable to suggest that these things are for sale,,, BUT!!!---> the problem with the law enters when they`re then fitted to another vehicle

if they`re being bought to hang on a wall, or put in a display cabinet, then it`s still all good in the eyes of the law
Author:  origmini [ Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Mk 2 "S" Body Numbers
Unless I have read it incorrectly, a Mk 2 Number YGS4 would be worthless. YG2S4 .... attached to a body could be worth something.
Author:  ALPINE MOKE [ Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:57 pm ]
Post subject:  NUMBERS GAME
It's only worth what you are willing to pay.
Author:  Morris 1100 [ Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Mk 2 "S" Body Numbers
origmini wrote:
Unless I have read it incorrectly, a Mk 2 Number YGS4 would be worthless. YG2S4 .... attached to a body could be worth something.

The missing 2 means a two door. An S on its own means 4 door. Maybe his one is a 4 door? :lol:
Author:  Benyni [ Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Scrap Metal??
Ferris(???) Metals are going for about $80 a tonne at the Moment so...... i guess if you weigh it and do the math you'll get the correct answer!
Author:  Bubbacluby [ Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:24 pm ]
Post subject: 
worth Nothing.

Whats the point of doing it? It will never be a cooper s, it will be nothing but a fake, and will never ever be a cooper s.

I would rather an original mini k/deluxe/850 because atleast then its original and not a want-to-be. Then your not trying to be decietful and make a car out to be something it isnt.

No-one would want a fake cooper s anyway, nothing but a try hard.
Author:  origmini [ Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Mk 2 Authenticity
My point is as mentioned earlier.There are many veteran,vintage and classic cars that have been built up from parts all over the world and are recognised and treasured by their owners.In the August edition of Classic Cars,a Rolls Royce had been rescued from a farm in N.S.W.. The body was being sourced from overseas. Does this imply that this vehicle is now illegal if registered in Australia-I dont think so. Numerous T-Fords have been built up from 1000's of parts sourced from all over the World.They are still regarded as T Fords.Look at most of the Mini Works cars,I believe most have been rebodied numerous times, yet, seldom is that mentioned.
The point that I'm trying to make is that some of you guys take some things too seriously. I have noticed over the years a number of people worshiping certain cars regarding their authenticity.Well, I have known that they are questionable, but I have let some of you believe that you have the original vehicle. I am like the proponent of this thread.I may have only put forward a few replies,but ,I too have had 40 years experience with Miin Cooper "S"s.
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