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 Post subject: Can I race a Van
PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2005 1:12 am 
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The header says it all, can I cicuit race a van?

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2005 6:59 am 
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Well.. I remember a few years ago they raced Volvo wagons in the 2L British touring car championship, `coz the sedan had the aerodynamics of a Mini! :shock:
Dunno what class a Minivan would fit though.

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2005 8:42 am 
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absolutely you can - they're lighter than a sedan to boot ;)

vans were relatively common in club level rallying in the '60s, there have been a couple of write-ups in MiniWorld over the years - for the most part they were weekend warriors, being delivery vans etc. during the week...

the problem with vans in racing is that they flex a LOT in the back - mine has cracked (and been repaired) all the way around the rear wheel arches where they meet the floor. I made a bracing bar that goes between the shocker mounts and the floor, and it holds it very steady, before I did that, I could stand on the back with the doors open, and bounce the car up and down and watch the wheel arches flex :shock: a decent rollcage would be the go, and add extra bracing to the shocker mounts

I passed a Cooper S in my van at Wakefield in Feb, and there was a V8 falcon that couldn't get away from me :lol: :lol: :lol: :twisted:

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2005 11:58 am 
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Apart from the flex issue, a little known fact is the longer wheel base of the van gives you an unfair advantage in the handling stakes as well :wink:

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drmini in aust wrote:
Well.. I remember a few years ago they raced Volvo wagons in the 2L British touring car championship, `coz the sedan had the aerodynamics of a Mini! :shock:
Dunno what class a Minivan would fit though.


A guy around the corner from my parents has an old volvo 244 wagon that he races. improved production class i think. and there used to be a mazda 808/rx3 wagon in the same class and it was a winner.

do it, do it, go on, you know you want to :D

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drmini in aust wrote:
Dunno what class a Minivan would fit though.


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the vans are good for rallying also....i've heard

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Chris, I don't recall seeing a van race in the period...but that done mean a thing with my memory.

You could certainly set something up to race in Brian Waldrens all Mini series at WP though....give him a call...there are contact details in Motorsport folder.

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Apart from the flex issue, a little known fact is the longer wheel base of the van gives you an unfair advantage in the handling stakes as well :wink:

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I had a ride in Bob Holdens van in a Mini Monte and he told me the same thing. As for flexing I will totally seam weld it and that will sort out that problem. should only take a roll of wire to seam weld a mini. The young bloke wants to move up from karts and do a bit of club racing and I have a spare shell now. Personally I daon't think it is a move upwards at all just a lot of bloody hard yakka.

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Problem with vans is there is little torsional rigidity due to the huge rear door opening. I'd build a 1/2 cage or something in there, braced off the shock towers.. :wink:

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drmini in aust wrote:
Problem with vans is there is little torsional rigidity due to the huge rear door opening. I'd build a 1/2 cage or something in there, braced off the shock towers.. :wink:


A lot can be achieved by seam welding the turret to the side panels if it is accessible. people under estimate how rigid this makes a car. I will just weld the back doors shut and that will fix it.

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drmini in aust wrote:
Problem with vans is there is little torsional rigidity due to the huge rear door opening. I'd build a 1/2 cage or something in there, braced off the shock towers.. :wink:

I have a Cage I want you to look at :wink:

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Yeah!!!!!!!!!,,,Go the Van!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...Awsome race car!!!!!!!!!!!,,,way better handling than the sedan with the extra 4" of wheel base,,,super dooper neutral in the corners & exceptionally predictable.

I raced my van in club level racing nearly all my life up till a few years ago where i stepped backwards & down wards into the sedans :-)

I also raced a van in speedway for about 8 years & whooped arse all over the place up here in Qld :-)

the vans rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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This last one was after a big party at my place,,,don`t ask me how i ended up sleeping there ??? #$@*&^%$

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I still hold the current 0->1600cc track record at Echo Valley Hill Climb in my road van :-)

Born & bred in a mini van i am :-)

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that's quite the concourse winner there :)

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In stock trim a van is also 70kg's heavier than the sedan... :wink:

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