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| Author: | John Sneddon [ Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:56 am ] |
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Can anyone help me with the correct name of the Mini S model 022A2S2M10 built between January 1973 and March 1973 - is it Morris Mini S or Leyland Mini S keeping in mind that the change of vehicle name from Morris to Leyland occurred in March 1973. Await your comments |
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| Author: | Panthersteve [ Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:07 pm ] |
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I would think it is a Leyland Mini S. The last Morris (Mini anyway) was the last of the Mini K's and Cooper S's in the middle of '71. From there until early '73 we had the Clubman series which I think were referred to as Leyland Mini Clubman, Leyland Mini 1100 and Leyland Mini Clubman GT. May be the Leyland wasn't in the name but they were definitely badged as Leyland, with the earlier ones being British Leyland and the later ones being Leyland Australia. Am I right 
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| Author: | looopy [ Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:56 pm ] |
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Are you ever wrong Steve? |
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| Author: | MrFail [ Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:13 pm ] |
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I had a 72 Leyland mini clubman . The little guard badges said "leyland Australia" ,but the boot badge just said "mini clubman". |
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| Author: | watto [ Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:38 pm ] |
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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, Steve, but that is not actually correct. The Clubman GT, and in line with that the Clubman, was in fact listed as a Morris. The CAMS homologation papers for both the regular Clubman GT and the police-spec Clubman GT list the cars as Morris. The brochure for the 1973 line of Minis, the Leyland Mini and Leyland Mini S, says "1973 sees the first Leyland Minis on the road" 
The Mini Clubman S appeared right at the time of the change-over from British Leyland Motor Corp (Australia) to Leyland Australia, in March 1973, and with it a change to badging the cars with Leyland Australia badges on the front A-pillars and in the steering wheels centres, instead of the previous British Leyland badges. 
1971 British Leyland badge 
1973 Leyland Australia Badge Within a few weeks the name change took place and the car became known as the Leyland Mini S, with both the Mini 1100 and Mini Clubman being replaced by the Leyland Mini. 
This compliance plate is from a March 1973 Mini Clubman S. Note that the S is not listed. However, it is listed on the next plate, for a May 1973 car, while the car number prefix is still 022 A2S2 - because both the Mini Clubman S and the Leyland Mini S were variations of the YDO22 Mini Clubman. Although not listed as a Leyland, by this time it certainly was, and the Mini Clubman had been deleted in April 1973. 
The next compliance plate is from a 1971 Mini Clubman. Note that the car prefix is YG2S7. This number prefix system was replaced with the 022 system in January 1973, so all Mini S, whether Clubman or Leyland, should be listed as 022. 
This compliance plate is from a 1974 Leyland Mini and you will see the prefix is 021, as these base-model Minis were considered a variant of the YDO21 Mini 1100. So, getting back to the original question, the Mini S was only introduced in March 1973 and was technically a Morris Mini Clubman S, but by the following month was a Leyland Mini S. While the change-over from Morris to Leyland took place in March 1973, it appears that the first few cars (the pictured compliance plate is from car number 550) would have been badged according to plans made before the change and that by the time the cars had actually been built the change had come into effect. It is not known how many cars would have been built as Mini Clubman S, but as the production rate at the time, for all saloon model Minis, was only around 500 per month - note from the above compliance plates that there were around 600 Mini S built by May 1973 - it would be fair to suggest the number would have been no more than around 200 or so. For more information, see Issues 12, 19 and 20 of The Mini Experience. Cheers, Watto. |
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| Author: | looopy [ Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:43 pm ] |
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Steve, what ever you don't tell your wife about this 
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| Author: | Panthersteve [ Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:50 pm ] |
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watto wrote: The next compliance plate is from a 1971 Mini Clubman. Note that the car prefix is YG2S7. This number prefix system was replaced with the 022 system in January 1973, so all Mini S, whether Clubman or Leyland, should be listed as 022.
. The plate says it all, manufactured by British Leyland, therefore a Leyland, it does not say a product of Morris. The brochure you put up really means the first from Leyland Australia, that does not mean that any before that time were Morris' |
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| Author: | MrFail [ Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:13 pm ] |
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Hmm, this is interesting. I will have to find pics of my old one. It was 72 on the plate and its no was YG2S7 5493. Crazy how I remember that . Haha And it definitely had Leyland Australia on guards and leyland on the steering wheel. Oh, and it was just a base model clubman, not an 's' as far as i know. According to your info that makes it a bit of both doesn't it? 
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| Author: | Timbo [ Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:54 pm ] |
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Did any of the last 1971 Mini Ks have a compliance plate? It would be interesting to see what they said. I had a '71 Mini K which was badged Morris on the bonnet and bootlid, the steering wheel said Leyland and the seatbelts said BMC. I don't think it knew what it was. Tim |
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| Author: | Morris 1100 [ Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:17 pm ] |
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Much sillyness. |
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| Author: | Rookiepilot [ Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:44 pm ] |
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watto wrote: The Mini Clubman S appeared right at the time of the change-over from British Leyland Motor Corp (Australia) to Leyland Australia, in March 1973, and with it a change to badging the cars with Leyland Australia badges on the front A-pillars and in the steering wheels centres, instead of the previous British Leyland badges.
The change of badging on the A panels and steering wheel was discussed at length on the ex GT forum and I quote from the forum. I think your March 73 date is too late. "Safe to say that pre 4/72 was BRITISH LEYLAND, and post 4/72 was LEYLAND AUSTRALIA, and on the cusp could be either. |
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| Author: | thomas_hb [ Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:23 pm ] |
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Please to can I have Leyland Mini Club? 
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| Author: | Morris 1100 [ Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:35 pm ] |
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Who am I and what am I doing here? |
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| Author: | CARTER_GT [ Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:44 pm ] |
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I was led to believe mine was the cross over model? 
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| Author: | phillb [ Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:47 pm ] |
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Morris 1100 wrote: Who am I and what am I doing here? That's a Leyland 1300 automatic. 
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