is it possible to remove the top crash pad without removing the windscreen?
because i've undone the 3 nuts but the bloody thing wont come out , and i dont want to break it.

And how hard is it to remove the bottom one? I just want to paint it, it might be easier to do it in the car.

I think there is 4 bolts

well dont i feel stupid

There's three, one in the middle through the ashtray hole, and one either end.
It won't lift straight up, you need to 'roll' it over and toward you a bit.

Is it a clubby or rover, clubby definitly 4, 1 either side of the ash tray and one each side near pillars as for rovers never had anything to do with them

The bottom one just needs to be carefully pulled off as it is only glued.

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1969 Cooper "S"
1967 Mini Deluxe
1973 Clubman Van (the fleet spare)
1978 ex 1275 LS ("Wizard" Eaton Supercharged)
2015 HSV GenF GTS(occasional drive & tow car)
2019 MINI F55 Cooper S