This seems to be a good price....

Considering the fake broadspeed at classic throttle shop and the racing one that sold last yr (maybe one before) for the reported 6 figure sum.

Ands its nothing to import from NZ anymore.....

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http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/special ... 854439.htm



Bubba

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OK just read on mk1performance forum, it is a replica, so not a real broadspeed, still looks the goods though and is still better than the other one at classic throttle....

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I reckon this is a great little car...

I spoke to the owner and builder of this car Bernie Hines a few months ago and he said that he built the replica broadspeed from a mid 70's NZ 1275GT shell using a fiberglass cast from a UK car.

The car was built as a Brian Foley tribute broadspeed and seems by my discussions with Bernie and from the photos Bernie emailed to be a very well sorted and very well equiped car mechanically.

The Broadspeed races in the NZ historic series and has a racing logbook- i'm unsure of the groups apart from MRA and regularity it would be eligble for in Australia

Bernie mentioned that it would benefit from a fresh paint job cosmetically (as race cars do)

Bernie also mentioned that he would he interested in the car coming to Australia and for $25,000 NZ Dollars seems like a attractive price.

If anyone is interested would like me to forward the photos specs Bernie sent me then PM me i'll try and find them.

Chris

Keep in mind that fully sorted mini race cars sell here for between $10-$20, you are looking at $5-$15k purely for the history.

True smac,

The historic normal mini group nb race cars in Australia are $20K to $35K+ for well sorted front running cars.
Don't forget to add the Broadspeed tax in oz

Chris

THING OF BEAUTY

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Lillee - 1969 Morris Mini K

What a great photo

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1963 850 - laid up
1970 Morris mini K van - eating up the kms!

oh yeah,,, what a great shot




& if it were my car, i wouldn`t let it go for under that price.

this whole "what`s a mini worth" thing is just got to be thrown out the window when it comes to these sorts of cars,,, Broadspeeds, Gems, Marcos, kingfisher, GTM, De-joux, etc etc etc,,, are all very unique & very rare little beasts,,, you just cannot place their prices in with any other minis... surely???

Now,,, in saying all that,,, i certainly dont know the history of this particular mini altho ive seen it in a number of times/publications/web-sites etc & yes its seems to be a replica,,, however, to me , the strength of its price must reflect the uniqueness, the rarity, the sporting heritage (history) & its own particular quality... so therfor its got to be worth more than average Joe/Jane Doe`s Nb mini,,, surely!!!

just my 2 cents,,, hows about the price of average Joe/Jane Doe`s GT falcon or XU1 or A9X torana, & early Monaros then??? are our best historic race minis not worth any where near them? ... no,,, but even the best Cooper S is no where near those blown-out prices,,, but surely these rare historic race minis are worth more than just a good "S" ???

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No offence intended here but--> anyone writing a book about minis 30 years ago may not have experienced such worn or stuffed-with components as we are finding these days.

You should put your heart & soul into everything you do.

Replica X-series GTs still grab great prices!

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1963 850 - laid up
1970 Morris mini K van - eating up the kms!

I love this car and reckon it's worth every cent of what Bernie is asking, it is very rare and looks like a very well sorted race car, problem is however if your only plan is to race the Broadspeed unfortunatley in Australia I can't think of any race series apart from MRA in which a broadspeed replica could compete - any ideas

Sid from Canberra runs a beautiful Tspeed Gem at MRA racing and is very limited / frustrated by the lack of eligiblty for other historic racing opportunities.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... ToXRxzC53M

Firstly, I like Bernie's car and he has done a great job of it. It is also, by all reports very successful in its class in New Zealand.

But, it is not a genuine Broadspeed and was built by Bernie from his former race car and a fibreglass Downton half-shell conversion from the UK.

We had the full story on this car in Issue 12 of TME.

The Downton in the story is also not the Downton of old, but a brand name for Symbol Mini Company in the UK, owned by Stewart Mickleborough. While restoring a genuine Broadspeed for a Japanese customer, Symbol took moulds of it to create their own version. Mickleborough visited Ralph Broad in Portugal to gain the sole manufacturing rights, but on his return to the UK discovered the trade mark name for Broadspeed had lapsed and been re-registered by another Mini restoration company (though it appears that no Broadspeeds were ever built by that company). Mickleborough found that the name Downton Engineering had also lapsed so registered the name for himself.

His Broadspeed replicas were therefore sold as the Downton GT, and there was a story about this way back in Issue 2 (July 1996) of Mini Magazine in the UK. At the time of the launch a complete car, based on a new Mini Sprite and with a modified engine, was priced at £13,950. A conversion to an existing car was priced at £4,995 and the kit on its own was also available.

This is the photo of the Downton GT used to publicise the car in Mini Magazine in 1996.



However, apparently only three Downton GTs were sold - and the company's demonstrator the only complete car - before the business was wound up and the two principles moved overseas (possibly to Australia).

Bernie Hines bought his from Symbol Mini Company in August 2001 and had his car finished and on the track in October - although he said it took a lot of "pushing and cutting" to get it to fit.





So, what's it worth? Who knows.

It is not a genuine Broadspeed, but the car was built using a conversion made under license from Ralph Broad but not called a Broadspeed. It is one of only two or three in the World, so it is rare, but does the rarity compensate for the fact it is not a "genuine" Broadspeed?

It is what it is and if the buyer is happy with what they paid, then I guess that is what it is worth.

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http://www.theminiexperience.com.au

This car is not a real broadspeed as has been said. It is not elligeable to run in the group races, Historics etc and surely the price would be reflected in this. the car has been for sale for ages at this price. It cant be registered, so basically its a sports sedan. Sports sedan minis arent worth much in this country. most are sub $15k unless it is highly modded. I would value it around that. After all what the heck are you going to do with it besides doing sprints and hillclimbs. Very limited options here.
Just my opinion.

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1970 Cooper S ex-Bathurst & ATCC
1964 Austin Cooper S ex-Group C race car
1967 Morris Cooper S ex-Group B
1962 Mini Speed sports sedan
1968-71 ex-Peter Manton Shell car

Several classes it could race in here.

Is it viable to convert it back into a road car?

As an aside, I once (1972) took a red "Broadspeed" (Brian Foley built most probably) for a test drive around Coburg in northern Melbourne. It was sitting at the front of a used car lot and was for sale at $2,400. It went like stink but was pretty rough bodywise and was blowing a bit of smoke so I decided against trading my Mk1 Cooper S in on it.

One of those great "If only..." moments in life. I'm sure many of us have experienced them.

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Slide
1965 Mini Van (1360)
1970 Mk2 Cooper S (1310)
1978 Rover SD1 V8 (4.6)
1996 Land Rover Discovery V8 (4.0)

I tried to buy a Bulanti in about 1982 but my feet were too big!