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Author:  davem [ Thu May 16, 2013 11:42 am ]
Post subject:  Ultimate brake setup
Guys can l get your advice on what you believe would be the ultimate braking setup for a clubman running on 10x5 chevolt rims, ATM running s calipers ebc green stuff pads braided lines and superfins on the rear. Thanks again.
Author:  Lillee [ Thu May 16, 2013 11:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ultimate brake setup
davem wrote:
Guys can l get your advice on what you believe would be the ultimate braking setup for a clubman running on 10x5 chevolt rims, ATM running s calipers ebc green stuff pads braided lines and superfins on the rear. Thanks again.


And this isn't enough?

I have regular S brakes with EBC black stuffs, regular rear end. Last night driving home from DrMini's place there was a bad accident involving a ute on Cumberland Hwy, 80km/h section. Totally unexpected as usually you'd fly through there. Slammed on the brakes and they nearly locked up and came to a controlled stand still in short time. I'm pretty happy with it? What did you want it to do? lock up and skid out of control?
Author:  davem [ Thu May 16, 2013 12:15 pm ]
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Should re phrase my question then, is there much difference in stopping power between s calipers and a kad 4 pot setup . Has anyone tried the rear disc conversion?
Author:  wallie [ Thu May 16, 2013 12:18 pm ]
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the biggest issue would be running 10" wheels if wanting bigger breaks depending on how much bigger. K.A.D 7.75" 4 pots i guess would be the next size up but would need to check if they fit your wheels as they don't fit all 10"

http://minisport.com.au/prod2045.htm.

the minisport slotted 8.4" 4 pots look good to me & ive been in a mini runnig them & they pull up nicely but they require 12" rims

are you running a booster? if not id start from there if it dosent add a bit more bite to your stopping power then look into 4 pots

reading about the rears seems only weigh reduction rather than stopping power
Author:  Harley [ Thu May 16, 2013 12:45 pm ]
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The recipe for the best brakes is simple: have the biggest disc you can, so that the caliper gets more leverage / applies more stopping torque for the given input effort. More pistons in the caliper spread the load on a bigger pad better, and alloy calipers dissipate heat better.
Vented discs will run cooler than solids.
Rear discs won't do much, the fronts do 80% of the work anyway. Minifins is what the racers use.
Author:  davem [ Thu May 16, 2013 12:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ultimate brake setup
Lillee wrote:
davem wrote:
Guys can l get your advice on what you believe would be the ultimate braking setup for a clubman running on 10x5 chevolt rims, ATM running s calipers ebc green stuff pads braided lines and superfins on the rear. Thanks again.


And this isn't enough?

I have regular S brakes with EBC black stuffs, regular rear end. Last night driving home from DrMini's place there was a bad accident involving a ute on Cumberland Hwy, 80km/h section. Totally unexpected as usually you'd fly through there. Slammed on the brakes and they nearly locked up and came to a controlled stand still in short time. I'm pretty happy with it? What did you want it to do? lock up and skid out of control?


No locking up and skidding out of control wasnt my intention, simple question was asked, purely wanted to know if other members can vouch for the brake kits off the shelf and there effectivenss vs what l have now. First mini lasted 6 days until an accident at 70km/hr (not my fault) wrote it off, fractured my ribs dislocated my knee, cut from car, not pleasent. saved the bootlid though! :) I have no intention of going larger thatn the 10x5 rims im running atm. Thanks again

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Author:  drmini in aust [ Thu May 16, 2013 1:17 pm ]
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I'd keep your S setup, but run grooved rotors to keep the pads clean.
And maybe fit a servo for less pedal effort.
Author:  awdmoke [ Thu May 16, 2013 1:29 pm ]
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I know the search is a bit broken but this has been covered quite a few times before, e.g.
http://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=885096

Anyway, unless you're doing track work what you have now is more than sufficient. The limiting factor in braking now is:
a: You
b: Your tyres

Learning to threshold brake at khanas or skidpans will fix the first.

Wider or stickier tyres the second. Your current brakes are more than capable of stopping your car faster than your tyres will allow, and will do it a couple of times without fading.
Author:  Paddy [ Thu May 16, 2013 4:57 pm ]
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i asked this question myself awhile ago.

Yes KAD are the best brakes, but they cost ALOT.

Minisport/spares ones are next they are almost as good and cost alot less then KAD

the cooper S that you have now are still good

the major difference is weight and cooling. if you are running on the track and working the discs hard i would advise going KAD or minsport ventilated setup.

If you take the car out for really hard driving on the weekends regularly i would advise minisport/spares ventilated setup.

if you are only driving around town, no matter how hard you drive really, the cooper S setup you have will be more then enough. i personally went with the minisport 7.5 solid setup, purely for the weight saving.

but as has been said if you're just driving around town, your setup is fine. look at improving your technique and then and only then, if you start to feel brake fade or locking up then upgrade. because unless you are experiencing these last 2 things your not hitting the brakes hard enough and upgrading wont do much.

EDIT -

also if you are experiencing brake fade then upgrade your brakes.

If you are experiencing lock ups, get stickier tyres, bigger brakes in this situation will generally just cause you to lock up easier.
Author:  mini13 [ Fri May 17, 2013 3:43 am ]
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I would suggest giving carbon metalic pads a go,

they can be noisy and leave a lot of dust but they really stop!
Author:  davem [ Fri May 17, 2013 9:08 am ]
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Appreciate the advice from all, any tips on how to check what would be the maximum size disc/ caliper I could fit behind a 10 inch rim?
Author:  drmini in aust [ Fri May 17, 2013 9:19 am ]
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Cheviot 10x5 are same offset as a std Mini offset ROH Contessa. A 7.9" rotor would be it, but some 4 pot calipers will clear these wheels and others won't.
Author:  wallie [ Fri May 17, 2013 9:25 am ]
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measure the inner diameter and send whoever your looking at buying from details and they should be able to tell you if they will fit or not
Author:  Wombat [ Fri May 17, 2013 9:42 am ]
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I've just purchased 7.5" 4 pot discs from Mini Sport UK for 10" wheels. They fit the new 10" alloy wheels with about 10mm to spare.
Author:  davem [ Fri May 17, 2013 10:52 am ]
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Thank you all.
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