Phil ,
I've had a new style arm in mine for about 6yrs now and it is still ok . I changed it because i had
too much wear on the ball on the original one , maybe someone could lend you one to see if that helps
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| Author: | phillb [ Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | FAIL - Clutch carrier premature wear. |
I replaced my clutch thrust bearing and carrier and a few other components a couple of years ago and it made a huge difference. But I have noticed I have been needing to adjust the clutch over this time as if something is wearing. Something is not right as I have the adjuster way out now and even have the longer slave pin and the clutch is still close to the floor and crunching into reverse. I'm going to at least remove the arm to check the ball for wear/cracks. A few questions.... I seem to remember a discussion about the new bearing carriers wearing quite quickly? Have others experienced this?? If I need to replace the arm are the current new ones OK or am I better to mig weld the original ? If I need to replace the carrier will I be able to remove the bearing without damage? (It's not that old) Cheers |
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| Author: | michaelb [ Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch carrier premature wear. |
You will probably find the flat washer that the bearing presses on is very worn. I had this happen and the symptoms were very similar to yours. Every thing else was OK, but the bearing also needed to be replaced because of the metal dust |
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| Author: | goodie [ Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch carrier premature wear. |
Phil , I've had a new style arm in mine for about 6yrs now and it is still ok . I changed it because i had too much wear on the ball on the original one , maybe someone could lend you one to see if that helps .
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| Author: | drmini in aust [ Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch carrier premature wear. |
The ball on the end of the clutch arm is hardened, I doubt MIG welding will last- as TIG done by a CIGWELD rep didn't fix my broken one. I've had an aftermarket (thick) one in my car for at least 10 years and it's still good. It's more likely that the ball has worn a groove inside the aftermarket plunger... |
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| Author: | simon k [ Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch carrier premature wear. |
phillb wrote: I seem to remember a discussion about the new bearing carriers wearing quite quickly? Have others experienced this?? yep phillb wrote: If I need to replace the carrier will I be able to remove the bearing without damage? (It's not that old) if you're very lucky - I destroyed one of my 3w5/8 bearings trying to get it off, bad idea  I wonder about sleeving the carrier with something harder, or self lubricating, or... ? |
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| Author: | drmini in aust [ Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch carrier premature wear. |
Maybe buy a new carrier and get it case hardened before use. Or bore & sleeve it as you said, I'd try a bearing sleeve (roller bearing inner ring). Hard as... [edit] I can't buy a bearing sleeve with 11.0mm bore; they go 10mm then 12mm. By the time you muck about wire cutting the hardened hole in the old carrier, then making and heat treating a hardened sleeve, you could make a new carrier from EN24 and get it hardened. Note Karcraft's catalog says theirs are made in EN24 material (aka SAE4340). How hard I am not sure, I will check one out. |
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| Author: | simon k [ Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch carrier premature wear. |
drmini in aust wrote: Maybe buy a new carrier and get it case hardened before use. Or bore & sleeve it as you said, I'd try a bearing sleeve (roller bearing inner ring). Hard as... was thinking about whether there would be value in sleeving it with something like teflon that'd make a soft yet durable lining on another topic, I've often wondered about resleeving the wok like this ebay listing, would need to be careful to get it centred, but taking the slop out of the plunger would help prevent shudder |
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| Author: | drmini in aust [ Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch carrier premature wear. |
If you sleeve it with teflon it will just flow out of the way, there is around 1,100kg force on that ball (= orange dot diaphragm spring clamp load). |
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| Author: | drmini in aust [ Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch carrier premature wear. |
I have an original BMC carrier here which I will Rockwell hardness test this week, but it is glass hard when tested with a file. Who has bought suspected `soft' ones, and where from...? |
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| Author: | Phat Kat [ Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch carrier premature wear. |
simon k wrote: on another topic, I've often wondered about resleeving the wok like this ebay listing, would need to be careful to get it centred, but taking the slop out of the plunger would help prevent shudder How many do you want 
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| Author: | simon k [ Wed Oct 16, 2013 8:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch carrier premature wear. |
Phat Kat wrote: simon k wrote: on another topic, I've often wondered about resleeving the wok like this ebay listing, would need to be careful to get it centred, but taking the slop out of the plunger would help prevent shudder How many do you want ah, so it is a worthwhile repair/fix then?? :Doh, and just one
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| Author: | phillb [ Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch carrier premature wear. |
Well I removed the arm to inspect the end and it is still in tact but worn a little further than before (it's an old original one). However looking down into the bearing carrier there is an obvious groove worn into the carrier hole. The carrier is only about 18 months old. I don't believe these parts are as hard as they are supposed to be. |
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| Author: | drmini in aust [ Sat Oct 19, 2013 4:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch carrier premature wear. |
I have an original carrier, I will borrow a Karcraft one on Monday and test the hardness on both. The Kc one is supposed to be EN24 = good stuff. |
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| Author: | phillb [ Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Clutch carrier premature wear. |
I have been able to bide my time with this issue by replacing the clutch arm with a new one, this helped as the new ones have a slightly better angle. The carrier must be slowly wearing still as I keep having to adjust the clutch. But it all finally went pear shaped today. I had to drive the car to Sydney today and got caught in the mother of all traffic jams. I noticed I was slowly finding it harder to select gears until it was impossible and had to pull into a carpark. Thought I was looking at having to get a tow but decided to remove the circlip from the slave and this gave enough travel, with more adjustment, to get normal clutch and was able to drive home. Time to sort out the carrier me thinks, must have a ridiculous amount of wear in it now. Is there anything else that could be causing these symptoms? |
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| Author: | simon k [ Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: FAIL - Clutch carrier premature wear. |
the arm etc. wouldn't degrade that quickly, sounds more like something leaking |
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