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| Author: | winabbey [ Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Door kick-plate - screw or bolt? |
On both the sliding window and wind-up window doors the kick plates were pop-riveted on. |
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| Author: | Bubbacluby [ Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Door kick-plate - screw or bolt? |
winabbey wrote: On both the sliding window and wind-up window doors the kick plates were pop-riveted on. Umm... No.... If your talking about the anodized aluminium scratch plate on the front end of the door pocket that is sometimes called the kickplates. These are held on with small Phillips head screws. Definitely NOT pop-riveted.  Ie these things...  Definitely screws |
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| Author: | Harley [ Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Door kick-plate - screw or bolt? |
I've seen some pop rivited on 850s. |
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| Author: | Bubbacluby [ Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Door kick-plate - screw or bolt? |
Harley wrote: I've seen some pop rivited on 850s. Were they real early 850's? all 850's I have seen and every wind-up window car I have seen and owned have had screws |
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| Author: | winabbey [ Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Door kick-plate - screw or bolt? |
Looks like another example of errors in the parts books. According to all the Australian Mini parts books up to and including the MK II Mini series pop-rivets were used so that's why I posted as such above. However a check of the Mini K parts book shows screws (part PTZ603), and the Clubman parts book shows shorter screws (PTZ602). I just checked my unmolested MK II S and it has screws. So maybe early 850's had pop-rivets and a change was made to screws at a later date but the parts books weren't updated. PTZ6nn is a recessed pan-head zinc plated tapping screw gauge 6. The 03 suffix means it is 3/8" long and 02 means 1/4" long. Out of interest, the UK Cooper S parts book is usually accurate and it shows pop-rivets. So the change to screws appears to be an Australian decision. Exactly when is a question to be answered. Apologies for the confusion. 
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| Author: | Mick [ Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Door kick-plate - screw or bolt? |
winabbey wrote: Looks like another example of errors in the parts books. According to all the Australian Mini parts books up to and including the MK II Mini series pop-rivets were used so that's why I posted as such above. However a check of the Mini K parts book shows screws (part PTZ603), and the Clubman parts book shows shorter screws (PTZ602). I just checked my unmolested MK II S and it has screws. So maybe early 850's had pop-rivets and a change was made to screws at a later date but the parts books weren't updated. PTZ6nn is a recessed pan-head zinc plated tapping screw gauge 6. The 03 suffix means it is 3/8" long and 02 means 1/4" long. Out of interest, the UK Cooper S parts book is usually accurate and it shows pop-rivets. So the change to screws appears to be an Australian decision. Exactly when is a question to be answered. Apologies for the confusion. I have to deal a lot with Change Configuration Management. I wonder how much of these decisions were made at the floor level for ease of manufacturing without following through the proper paperwork via management? Particularly if extra screws were easy to be ordered in. Sloppy process control? |
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| Author: | davem [ Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Door kick-plate - screw or bolt? |
Hey on the subject of kick plates how do you guys get them restored I've got a clubman I can't seem to buy them new anywhere? |
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| Author: | winabbey [ Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Door kick-plate - screw or bolt? |
Mick wrote: I have to deal a lot with Change Configuration Management. I wonder how much of these decisions were made at the floor level for ease of manufacturing without following through the proper paperwork via management? Particularly if extra screws were easy to be ordered in. Sloppy process control? Like you, Mick, I've had some experience in change and configuration management, and policy and process development from my time at Shell. From what I've seen in their documentation BMC and Leyland Australia had robust engineering design and change control processes, which is to be expected from a major vehicle manufacturing organisation. I have examples of Drawing Office Instructions that have been checked and authorised, which are then translated into engineering drawings that are checked and approved for issue to production. The BMC Standards publication is quite voluminous. It's sometimes said that some of the inconsistencies we talk about on here can be explained by poor process controls (e.g. they grab whatever item is close by on the production line or use a screw if a bolt or pop-rivet is not readily to hand) but after talking to some of the people who built the cars and examining the factory documentation I don't think that happened much, if at all. Now, getting production change data to the publications people and having it included in publications in a timely manner is another matter. 
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| Author: | drmini in aust [ Wed Dec 18, 2013 6:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Door kick-plate - screw or bolt? |
I remember back in the 60s when buying parts for my 850, the local dealer JE Allen's parts books had part number changes scrawled on nearly every page. No computers in those days... official changes would have meant a new print run. No wonder they used ring binders...
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| Author: | 9YaTaH [ Wed Dec 18, 2013 6:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Door kick-plate - screw or bolt? |
Maybe the approved replacement after removing pop rivets was to use PTZ6nn recessed pan-head zinc plated tapping screw gauge 6. 3/8" long and 02 means 1/4" long....seems plausible (to me) |
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| Author: | AEG163job [ Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Door kick-plate - screw or bolt? |
davem wrote: Hey on the subject of kick plates how do you guys get them restored I've got a clubman I can't seem to buy them new anywhere? Doubt it you would be able to buy new. This particular item sure lives up to it's name. The collection I have all have had the sh!t kicked out of 'em 
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| Author: | Babes [ Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Door kick-plate - screw or bolt? |
davem wrote: Hey on the subject of kick plates how do you guys get them restored I've got a clubman I can't seem to buy them new anywhere? I just had a set restored at a chrome shop, didnt get them chromed just all the dents taken out and polished. Look like brand new, unfortunately I cant tell you what it cost as I had a heap of stainless trim pieces polished at the same time. |
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