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 Post subject: Damaged Mk2 S block
PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:41 pm 
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Hi,
A question for the doc or others. I've had a 9FXey Mk2 engine sitting here for about 20 plus years. It had been dismantled and oiled up and wrapped in glad wrap. The other day I decided to open it up to refresh my memory as I thought I'd sell it as I don't need/want it any more. To my horror I found that it had been dropped at sometime in the last when ever and the
rear main bearing cap which was just sitting over the studs and not bolted down was bent and the 2 studs have broken a small piece away from the base of the 2 studs as deep as the step on the stud. Being the end cap and not a centre one is it still usable or is it an anchor?
Sorry I don't know how to post pics.

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 Post subject: Re: Damaged Mk2 S block
PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:43 pm 
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Location: Under the bonnet son!
Have you got a picture of the damage?

Perhaps a larger stepped replacement locator could be machined into a similarly machined location?

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 Post subject: Re: Damaged Mk2 S block
PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:25 pm 
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Hi,
I managed how to put a pic up. this is the damage what do you think?

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 Post subject: Re: Damaged Mk2 S block
PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:35 pm 
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oOOOOHHH....

That doesn't look good at all...

I might defer to the welders on here...Doc?

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 Post subject: Re: Damaged Mk2 S block
PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:03 pm 
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I doubt it would be weldable, someone that specialises in welding may be able to help.
If it was mine, I'd fit new studs and use it. Probably not for a high HP motor but standard rebiuld would be ok. Most of the forces push on cap.


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 Post subject: Re: Damaged Mk2 S block
PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:32 pm 
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That has broken away right where the stress is created, when the stud nuts are tightened to 55+ ft/lb.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news for a rare block, but I think it's toasted. :(

Sure, it could be gas welded with manganese bronze or nickel bronze (or maybe use TIG) but being cast iron, I'd not risk it. It's not just a chunk out of a block in an under-stressed area.

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 Post subject: Re: Damaged Mk2 S block
PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:42 pm 
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thanks Doc, I kinda had a feeling that may have been the case.
Bummer :cry:
well the crank rods and main caps will still be handy.


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 Post subject: Re: Damaged Mk2 S block
PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:04 pm 
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Would you like to sell it?
I would like to use it for few things I am trying
Cheers

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 Post subject: Re: Damaged Mk2 S block
PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:23 pm 
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Hi,
I have the std crank which will need a regrind and the rods and pistons.
the block is 40 thou over. Pm with an offer. if you like.
thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: Damaged Mk2 S block
PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:44 am 
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Take it to a cylinder head specialist and have it cast iron welded properly. It will need to be stripped bare and require a line bore and appropriate machining afterwards but its worth it, S blocks are not exactly easy to come by these days.

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 Post subject: Re: Damaged Mk2 S block
PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:24 pm 
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Their are a number of welding techniques that can be used to repair this type of material, agreed that a specialist welder would be required. I have repaired similar damage using a powdered system call Eutalloy, expensive but effective !.

Mal :-)


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 Post subject: Re: Damaged Mk2 S block
PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:49 pm 
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If nothing else, you have a perfect excuse for a Mk2 S Block coffee table ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Damaged Mk2 S block
PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:54 pm 
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Could the whole bearing web be machined away, a new web/saddle be machined up and welded in or bolted in?

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 Post subject: Re: Damaged Mk2 S block
PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 4:00 pm 
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Hi, I'm going to take it to a local old school engine shop
and see what they think. Failing that i've had a few offers
for it I'm considering.

Or the coffee table sounds good but I can't see the missus
going for it.


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 Post subject: Re: Damaged Mk2 S block
PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 4:29 pm 
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ykg2s4 wrote:
Or the coffee table sounds good but I can't see the missus
going for it.


I can understand that. Being a mini engine, it would probably still leak oil ;)


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