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Author:  davem [ Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:39 am ]
Post subject:  Installing a front anti roll bar

Does anyone have any pointers to installing these correctly. I have encountered a issue where l am coming close to the tie on one side??


The car is up on jack stands, the centre of the car is determined and the centre of the anti roll bar is aligned on these mark. The bar is fitted to the drop links and clamped in place with the poly blocks. All seems to measure up pretty well except at the front corners where it is close to the tie rod one side is 8mm and 15mm on the other, the photos below don't illustrate this. Is this bmc quality control or have l missed something or is this normal?
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Author:  low n blown [ Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Installing a front anti roll bar

Ummm,
Why do you need a front bar?

Author:  davem [ Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Installing a front anti roll bar

low n blown wrote:
Ummm,
Why do you need a front bar?



Because l wanted one.

Author:  Hobson [ Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:02 am ]
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davem wrote:
low n blown wrote:
Ummm,
Why do you need a front bar?



Because l wanted one.



no no no all wrong, Because you can

Author:  Morris 1100 [ Mon Apr 20, 2015 12:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Installing a front anti roll bar

To unload the inside tyre to promote wheelspin.

Author:  simon k [ Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Installing a front anti roll bar

Morris 1100 wrote:
To unload the inside tyre to promote wheelspin.


correction - fully sick wheelspin

I took the front sway bar off my m05 radio controlled mini, so much better handling!

Author:  davem [ Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Installing a front anti roll bar

Yep thanks for the help as always.

Author:  willy [ Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Installing a front anti roll bar

Have you checked that the bar is equal?
Easiest way would be to draw its outline, flip it and check it against itself.

PS very tasty Force wheels you have going on there. And KAD 7.9" vented brakes?

Author:  willy [ Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Installing a front anti roll bar

And Dave, the destructive criticism does not surprise me in the slightest.

Author:  Phil 850 [ Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Installing a front anti roll bar

If there is minimal clearance, will this really be a problem as the suspension AND the roll bar all move together. So the clearance is unlikely to change much ?

Author:  davem [ Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Installing a front anti roll bar

willy wrote:
And Dave, the destructive criticism does not surprise me in the slightest.


Cheers, yep it seems if you venture outside the norm on this forum some people like to have a dig, wonder if they would say it to ones face, I highly doubt it. :wink:

Author:  Morbo28 [ Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Installing a front anti roll bar

There's a good explanation of why some people like to use them here (clicky).

An example from the lengthy article follows.

Quote:
...The principle behind a sway bar is to achieve a ‘balance’ to the car front to rear such that when we turn at our chosen speed we can maintain control of the car. As a Mini Cooper will naturally understeer in order to get closer to a balance, we either have to decrease the understeer OR INCREASE oversteer. In the true sense of the equation we can only decrease understeer (independent from affecting the rear) by increasing the tire grip on the front tires by using wider or stickier tires. Once you have done all you can to minimize understeer at the front, you need to compromise the overall handling in order to achieve the desired balance. This is done by inducing oversteer in the rear by the addition of a sway bar. The key here is to understand that a rear bar does not decrease understeer but rather it increases oversteer in an attempt to get to the balance point!...[edit (forgot the part about the front!): Now comes the question; when do you use or need a front sway bar. Remember I talked about a rear bar is all that is needed with a proper shock/spring ride height setup is achieved; well a front bar is used to again compromise! As body roll has been identified as the major contributor to handling if the car has less than optimum spring/shock and/or ride height, then a front bar is helpful.]

Author:  davem [ Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Installing a front anti roll bar

Thanks phil 850 and willy l will take another look, tomorrow night.

Author:  davem [ Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Installing a front anti roll bar

All good it's a metal bar connected by 6 bolts if l don't like l can take it off

Author:  Mick [ Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Installing a front anti roll bar

Keep it on topic please.

Horses for courses.

Have you checked the lower bump stops beneath the top arm on the subframe? Or if one damper drops slightly further than the other?

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