"I think this is about enough for this thread for now.

Mick"

So who made you the Ayatolla..... I don't remember voting??

This is pretty much the most popular thread for along time..

Ian

By the Powers of Greyskull of course...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8h8snfYidg

All spleens have been vented, and all issues are known. Now everyone gets to go away and choose their club based on what they are hoping to get out of them, or make their issues known at committee meetings instead.

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All garage work involves equal measures of enthusiasm, ingenuity and a fair degree of irresponsibility.

Greyskull huh????

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Unfortunately, forums are very much like clubs. People don't like it when rules are applied and conversations for whatever reason are deemed to be not worth the moderators the pain and angst. There will always be the whingers who will find what they deem to an injustice to their person.
So my advice to those who find clubs or forums that have rules they don't like. don't join them, find one you like, or better still go start your own with your own rules.
That way the people that have joined the club and forums and are happy to abide by the rules can enjoy them in peace and quite without the moaning. If you don't like it, leave. If you do like be happy and enjoy it. But whatever you do, don't be that guy/girl who moans and groans about stuff and doesn't want to be part of changing things for the better (in your eyes)
Committee members and Moderators have a thankless job, they don't get paid, they certainly don't get recognition for the effort they put in, and they always face a tough audience of people standing on the sidelines throwing rocks.
Well done to ALL moderators on this forum and well done to ALL committee members who contributed to ALL the clubs, you ALL do good.

Cheers
Aaron

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Thanks. we would prefer not to see people burn bridges...well not completely anyway... Like the clubs, the forums can't be absolutely all things to all people.







How about Wondertwins, they always had a unique way of solving problems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktUx57i63e0

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All garage work involves equal measures of enthusiasm, ingenuity and a fair degree of irresponsibility.

Nah...don't cut de mass-tard mon....gimme Zumba Twinz...Ja!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrmmm6B1Odw

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"....Unfortunately, forums are very much like clubs. People don't like it when rules are applied and conversations for whatever reason are deemed to be not worth the moderators the pain and angst. There will always be the whingers who will find what they deem to an injustice to their person.
So my advice to those who find clubs or forums that have rules they don't like. don't join them, find one you like, or better still go start your own with your own rules.
That way the people that have joined the club and forums and are happy to abide by the rules can enjoy them in peace and quite without the moaning. If you don't like it, leave. If you do like be happy and enjoy it. But whatever you do, don't be that guy/girl who moans and groans about stuff and doesn't want to be part of changing things for the better (in your eyes)
Committee members and Moderators have a thankless job, they don't get paid, they certainly don't get recognition for the effort they put in, and they always face a tough audience of people standing on the sidelines throwing rocks.
Well done to ALL moderators on this forum and well done to ALL committee members who contributed to ALL the clubs, you ALL do good. "

Here hear...

But don't forget, its rarely (if ever) "the Committee" who set the rules.

Concessional Rego is a valuable gift offered by the State authorities...and they don't hand out many... and they're easily taken away.

The Members themselves have the greatest interest in policing the rules. Allowing - or encouraging - abuse of the system can lead to a "please explain .." from "Them", possibly followed by de-registration of the Club.... I've only heard of a couple of instances and the Clubs concerned have been pretty proactive in pulling the miscreants into line when everyone's concession is put at risk...

Cheers, Ian

Ian, you obviously have a very clear understanding of the system.
I have been the Historic Plate Registrar of our club (MCC NSW) for nearly 15 years now.
It has evolved from a "almost concours only" situation, to now allowing your average runner which has suitably "period" modifications, onto the scheme, as well as "non Mini" passenger cars.

I have always said that I am happy to discuss the Mini Car Clubs interpretation of the rules and some people have taken up that offer and others just label me and the club as Nazi's aand bureaucrats.
Our rules were formulated after discussions with both the RMS (and their "muddied" requirements) and The Council of Motor Clubs, who got the scheme up and running in NSW and who liaise directly with the RMS.
As you said, the prescriptive interpretation of the rules is laid firmly in the laps of the clubs by the CMC and RMS.
We took years of consultation with members constantly amending/upgrading/ clarifying/simplifying our rules to what they are now.
Some clubs take the responsibility seriously and some don't really care.... and EVERY person has a different idea of what is "fair and reasonable".

Unfortunately, the privileges given through the state authorities can so easily be taken away too.
It's a great scheme for being able to afford to keep old Minis on the road (I have 4) for a minimal cost for both registration and insurance.
With the new Logbook scheme, along with the increased ability to use the car whenever you want will most likely be accompanied by an increase in fees.
We will just have to wait and see.
In the meantime, anyone who wants to avail themselves of our scheme, please feel free to come on board...or at least ask before abusing people.....
Thanks.

Thank you Mr Malone for your input...always good to hear from people working at the coal face on the issues

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Just as an interest to QLDers - a similar proposal to run SIVS changes - basically the same one as in Victoria and now touted in NSW was put forward to Main roads and Motoring Organisation and Car Club Group in 2014 _ and after looking at the business model - costs etc - The main Roads /transport put forward their cost / model to Queensland Historic Motor CLubs and the majority of Clubs did not support it( the proposed model) and so Transport and Main Roads has withdrawn any further thoughts of this. Queensland Historic Motoring Council Bulletin 1 2015 emphasises the point that the scheme is not on the agenda in qld..... Now i don't know what the QLD govt agencies presented, but given that a majority of support was not received by our historic clubs - it must have been seen to be not to be advantageous. So unless the Motoring Councils hear of better models and good ground work that can show the Dept of transport that the model will meet its requirements - then it will not be on any agenda . So i don't know what if any distinctions existed between what NSW is trialing and what QLD rejected but for QLD it is off the table.... I respect the decision of council and club members but personally would have liked an opportunity to drive for up to 60 days on a reduced rego.... ATM my weekend warrior is fully registered as i need more utility than our current SIVS allows... and i am okay with that... Darryl,,, just for wider info

VICS - good advice(?) from the VSCCA website...

Changes to the club permit scheme commencing 31 January 2015

The club permit scheme (CPS) is a log book based permit scheme that allows motoring enthusiasts to enjoy limited road use of historic vehicles which comply with relevant standards.

Based on consultation with vehicle clubs, peak bodies and the Victoria Police, VicRoads is introducing changes to Victoria’s Club Permit Scheme, commencing 31 January 2015 with the objectives of:
•Ensuring the Club Permit Scheme continues to align with road safety objectives
•Introducing clearer and more appropriate vehicle modification guidelines for Club Permit Scheme vehicles
•Improving inspection, modification and identification requirements for modified vehicles
•Ensuring the integrity of the scheme is maintained
•Continuing to make participation in the Club Permit Scheme an enjoyable experience for all users.

New requirements commencing 31 January 2015:
•When signing new club permit applications, club safety officers/scrutineers will be required to complete a Vehicle Eligibility and Standards Declaration form declaring that the vehicle is eligible, safe for use on the road and that it meets the applicable requirements for the category of vehicle for which the club permit is sought.
•Initial club permit applications (not renewals) for vehicles manufactured after 31 December 1948 will need to be accompanied by a current certificate of roadworthiness.
•Initial club permit applications (not renewals) will need to be accompanied with a document of proof of ownership or management of the vehicle.
•For pre-1949 vehicles, clubs will continue to conduct their own safety inspection (which may be a certificate of roadworthiness or a club safety inspection based on VicRoads’ guidelines).
•New modification guidelines specified in the Guidelines for modifications to vehicles operated under Victoria’s Club Permit – Vehicle Standards Information No. 33 (VSI33) [PDF 296 kb] apply.
•If an initial club permit application is submitted for a vehicle that is modified outside of the appropriate modification guidelines, a Vehicle Assessment Signatory Scheme (VASS) approval certificate covering the modifications must be provided with the permit application.
•An “M” club permit plate will be issued to identify modified vehicles where a VASS certificate has been provided.
•Clubs are required to maintain dated photographs of vehicles entering the club permit scheme in accordance with the new Club Permit Agreement.

Existing and ongoing requirements to be noted

There are two important existing, ongoing requirements that permit applicants and club safety officers/scrutineers need to be aware of:
•Motor vehicles manufactured outside of Australia after 31 December 1968 (30 June 1975 in the case of motorcycles) which do not have a previous Australian registration history, must have a VASS approval certificate to demonstrate that the vehicle meets the Australian Design Rules that applied at the time the vehicle was manufactured.
•Club permit vehicles must comply with the Vehicle Standards, appropriate to the date the vehicle was manufactured, contained in Schedule 2 of the Road Safety (Vehicles) Regulations 2009.

All vehicle standards and modification guidelines are available through VicRoads’ website at Vehicle standards information.

New club permit agreement

In support of these changes, a new Club Permit Agreement [PDF 78 kb] has been developed. The new Agreement, which supersedes current club Agreements, must be signed and returned to VicRoads by 30 March 2015.
In addition clubs are to provide VicRoads with a current list of office bearers and safety officers/scrutineers together with sample signatures and driver licence numbers. This information is to be included on the Approved Club Office Bearers and Scrutineers form [PDF 51 kb] accompanying the Agreement, and must be completed whenever office bearers and scrutineers change within a club.

The agreement and form must be provided to VicRoads by 30 March 2015. VicRoads will revoke the approval of clubs for the purposes of the club permit scheme if the new Agreement and form is not signed and returned to VicRoads by this date.

Revised Club Permit Application form

VicRoads has revised the Club Permit Application form to be signed by the club authorised office bearer certifying that the applicant is a current financial member of the club to reflect the new requirements.

All permit applications submitted on or after 31 January 2015 must use the revised application form.

Download the new Club permit application form [PDF 205 kb]

Proof of ownership or management of vehicle

All new club permit applications are to be accompanied with a document of proof of ownership or management of the vehicle.

This can be provided in the form of an original receipt or contract of sale. The document must show the VIN or chassis number; engine number; name, address and signature of previous owner; name and address of the new owner and date of the transaction.

Vehicle Eligibility and Standards Declaration form

Commencing 31 January 2015, the revised Club Permit Application form must also be accompanied by a Vehicle Eligibility and Standards Declaration for Club Permit Vehicles form declaring that the vehicle is eligible, safe for use on the road and meets the requirements of the scheme. This form must be signed by a nominated safety officer/scrutineer.

Club permit applications will not be accepted unless a completed Vehicle Eligibility and Standards Declaration for Club Permit Vehicles form is provided.


Download the Vehicle eligibility and Standards declaration form [PDF 181 kb].

Vehicle safety inspection checklist


To assist clubs with inspecting vehicles and determining whether they are safe for use on the road, VicRoads has developed a Guideline Vehicle Safety Inspection Checklist. Please note that this checklist is for guidance only and should be used at the club’s discretion; it does not replace the requirement for the Vehicle Eligibility and Standards Declaration for Club Permit Vehicles form or any requirement for a Certificate of Roadworthiness.

A sample of the Vehicle safety inspection checklist Guidelines[PDF 551kb] is available, the final version will be available for

Existing club permit vehicles that may not meet vehicle standards

While VicRoads will not actively identify existing modified vehicles for re-certification, periodically vehicles are reported to VicRoads as unroadworthy and/or inappropriately modified and VicRoads is required take action when this occurs. In such instances, VicRoads will write to the permit holder advising them to request that their club re-assess the vehicle in accordance with the new requirements.

Clubs may also choose to re-certify existing modified vehicles and seek that the vehicle be issued an “M” modified club permit plate.

Club permit renewals after permit expiry

To bring club permit renewals into line with registration renewals, from 31 January 2015, permit renewal applications received by VicRoads more than three months (90 days) after the expiry of the previous club permit will not be accepted and a new permit application will need to be produced.

Information about inspection of club permit vehicles for Licensed Vehicle Testers (LVTs) and Vehicle Assessment Signatory Scheme (VASS) signatories

VicRoads has written to LVTs and VASS signatories providing advice about inspection arrangements appropriate for older vehicles.

Help with the new requirements

The club permit scheme is an important component of the vehicle registration system and input from clubs and representatives of the club permit movement into potential enhancements to the scheme will ensure it meets the needs of clubs and road safety imperatives.

Should you have a query regarding the new requirements, please contact VicRoads through [email protected]

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I believe there is some more info on the NSW scheme changes about to be released on the RMS website over the weekend or Monday. It will have more details on opting in to the logbook trial (if your club chooses to); bit more detail on usage and mentions the new modified vehicle scheme (which will start next year it seems). It appears there is no cost increase for existing customers for the first year of the trial.

It also says there is a prorata system of how many days you'll get in the first year depending on your rego anniversary (ie how much rego you have left in this current year period). On the surface, it appears the trial may be quite attractive and have few negatives. Of course, the current scheme will continue unabated for those who do not wish to participate.

We will wait and see. The next CMC meeting is next Tues, so I imagine there will be a great deal of discussion to unfold at that meeting.

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http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/roads/registr ... trial.html

Classic Vehicle Log Book trial

Transport for NSW and Roads and Maritime Services have developed a Classic Vehicle Log Book trial. A classic vehicle is 30 years of age or older.

The log book trial will allow classic vehicles to be used for 60 days of general use (ie maintenance and personal use) each year, outside of club organised events. Each day’s use must be recorded in a log book issued at a registry or service centre.

The log book trial will operate for two years, with an evaluation to be completed during this period as part of Roads and Maritime’s review of the overall Conditional Registration Scheme.
Staged implementation

The log book trial has two stages:

Stage 1 - From 1 October 2015, vehicles that are in, or eligible to be in, the existing Historic Vehicle Scheme can be part of the log book trial. The registered operator must be a member of a Roads and Maritime recognised historic vehicle club that is participating in the log book trial.
Stage 2 - In early 2016, a Modified Classic Vehicle Scheme will be introduced. These vehicles will be eligible for conditional registration and can be included in the log book trial. For more details, see What is the proposed Modified Classic Vehicle Scheme?

Questions and answers

It is not compulsory for clubs to participate in the log book trial. However, recognised clubs must notify Roads and Maritime if they want to participate. Roads and Maritime will maintain a list of participating clubs.

Club officials may notify their participation to Roads and Maritime by email at [email protected].

There will be no change to the Historic Vehicle Scheme. There is nothing that the club needs to do. Members of existing recognised clubs continue to be able to use their vehicles in club organised events and maintenance.

Members of existing recognised clubs that do not participate in the log book trial may choose to join or form another recognised participating club, and then opt-in to the log book trial.

Members of participating recognised clubs may opt-in to the log book trial from 1 October 2015. To opt in, the registered vehicle operator or their representative must attend a registry or service centre and present:

Proof of identity such as a NSW driver licence
The current Certificate of Conditional Registration (if available)
The current Certificate of Approved Operations (if available)
A completed Change of Records (PDF, 223Kb) to have the vehicle’s conditions updated.

The following condition will be added to the vehicle’s existing conditions:

'Classic Log Book – May be used for 60 days per year subject to log book conditions.

Operators of existing conditionally registered historic vehicles will be issued:

Certificate of Conditional Registration
Certificate of Approved Operations, with the updated conditions
Classic Vehicle Log Book Trial form.

There is no cost to existing members that choose to opt into the log book trial.

You can use the log book once it is issued. The log book will be aligned with the annual term of the conditionally registered vehicle. The allocation of days will apply as shown in this table:
Remaining registration Allocated log book days
Up to three months 15
Over three and up to six months 30
Over six and up to nine months 45
Over nine months 60

You will first need to join a recognised classic vehicle club (PDF, 400Kb).

If you want to opt-in to the log book trial for classic vehicles, you will need to join a recognised historic vehicle club that is participating in the log book trial.

If you are converting from full registration to conditional registration, you must surrender the full registration and number plates. You may be eligible for a refund of the unused portion of the vehicle tax or registration charge. Please note that a cancellation fee applies. You may also have the full registration number plates reserved at the registry or service centre or issued to a different vehicle for a fee. Distinctive historic vehicle number plates are issued with the conditional registration for a fee. You may also be eligible for a Compulsory Third Party (CTP) insurance premium refund. Please contact your CTP insurer for more information.

Conditionally registering a historic vehicle
Becoming a Roads and Maritime recognised historic vehicle club

Early in 2016, Stage 2 will see the development of a Modified Classic Vehicle Scheme. This scheme will provide the opportunity for modified classic vehicles which are 30 years of age or older to also be conditionally registered.

The Modified Classic Vehicle Scheme is anticipated to operate in a similar way to the Historic Vehicle Scheme. Things like forming a club, joining a club and applying for conditional registration will be similar. Clubs may also choose to participate in the log book trial for classic vehicles.

Existing recognised historic vehicle clubs may also choose to become a club under the Modified Classic Vehicle Scheme.

Some matters currently being worked through with enthusiasts, industry and government stakeholders include the vehicle standards and CTP insurance classification. Modified vehicles require a different process to determine their suitability for safe use and it is important that clubs have this capability.

From 1 October 2015, if you are interested in either forming or joining a club under the proposed Modified Classic Vehicle Scheme please email [email protected].

For further information about the Historic and Classic Vehicle Log Book Trial, please call the Contact Centre on 13 77 88.

Key things I see:
60 days of general use (ie maintenance and personal use) each year, outside of club organised events - I.e 60 days in addition to club events, that's plenty of days a year

Members of existing recognised clubs that do not participate in the log book trial may choose to join or form another recognised participating club, and then opt-in to the log book trial. - Some clubs can choose to block the trial (might not be a popular option though)

There is no cost to existing members that choose to opt into the log book trial. - Getting more time on the road for no extra cost is awesome. I wonder if the same cost is applied to new historic plated cars?

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