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| Author: | GundyGuy [ Tue Dec 08, 2015 5:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Front and rear Suspension Ball and cups |
Quick question How do you know if these ball and cups are worn out I am getting a slight clunking noise from possibly the rear end when turning right and accelerating a little bit It sounds like a typical loose bush noise otherwise it sounds and feels great When the roadworthy was done and it was up on the hoist there was no slop or freeplay found or noticed front or back I am asking here as my manual is very vague and basis and shows little |
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| Author: | TK [ Tue Dec 08, 2015 7:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Front and rear Suspension Ball and cups |
maybe not the rear and is a cv joint? |
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| Author: | bluewhitecoopers1968 [ Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Front and rear Suspension Ball and cups |
Ball and cup wear sound is when working the suspension over bumps you'll hear the clunk. Sounds like front cv to me |
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| Author: | simonw [ Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Front and rear Suspension Ball and cups |
Great question Could I ask also the service life of Ball and Cups? Going to replace mine anyway, but would be interesting to hear opinions. They look pretty sturdy and without a huge range of ,movement can't see them wearing out quickly...... |
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| Author: | drmini in aust [ Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Front and rear Suspension Ball and cups |
simonw wrote: Great question Could I ask also the service life of Ball and Cups? Going to replace mine anyway, but would be interesting to hear opinions. They look pretty sturdy and without a huge range of ,movement can't see them wearing out quickly...... My car is 1970 and AFAIK the rear balls & cups are still original. I did change the fronts as I fitted a GT subby etc. When new, they have little grease in. And the grease nipple on the top arm does NOT lube them. I have a `grease needle', once every year or two I stick it into the boot and give it 1 pump only. |
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| Author: | GundyGuy [ Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Front and rear Suspension Ball and cups Subframe Bushes |
Well i put the beast up on ramps at the rear and climbed under for a look What i noticed is what seems to be 2 extra subframe mounting rubbers located at the front of the subframe As in just in front of the fuel pump and same other side they look like the flat bump stops i see for sale at various online dealers http://minisport.com.au/mini-hydrolasti ... und-rubber Are these original or has someone fitted them  
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| Author: | GundyGuy [ Sat Dec 12, 2015 6:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Front and rear Suspension Ball and cups |
Anyone seen these subframe rubbers on other cars |
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| Author: | rodmac [ Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Front and rear Suspension Ball and cups |
Never on the outside of the subframe! You are right they look like the trailing arm rebound rubbers but they should be on the inside of the subframe facing the rear of the car - they are there to stop the knuckle mount of the trailing arm hitting the subframe. I was also getting an occasional clunking sound from directly behind the drivers seat. I looked and looked and eventually discovered the subframe mounting rubbers had disintegrated. If you have the car jacked up I used a small prybar and levered the subframe in various directions and it became pretty obvious they had failed. Cheers Rod |
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| Author: | GundyGuy [ Sat Dec 12, 2015 11:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Front and rear Suspension Ball and cups |
I had the rear end up on ramps then jacked the rear of the car up to lift the wheels off the ramps I looked everywhere and like you said i used a prybar and worked the subframe near all the mounts Not one bit of movement anywhere Everything looks as it should for 45 years old Suspension moved nicely No slop in the trailing arm bearings Did notice the battery cable sloppy in the grommet and this must be causing petrol fumes leaking into the car when i fill the tanks up as 1 of the breathers is right next to it |
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| Author: | GundyGuy [ Sat Dec 12, 2015 11:41 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Front and rear Suspension Ball and cups |
Now after inspecting the rear end I proceeded to put the front end up on ramps I jacked the wheels off the ramps and what I found was the front left wheel bearing is loose as I wiggle the wheel and it clunks I have noticed a bit of a growling noise from the front What I think has happened is that the car has sat for so long with little use and the bearings might have had water in them and now I have been driving it the bearings have failed There was no play when I first got the car and had it up on a car hoist So time to fit new bearings all round I think |
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| Author: | drmini in aust [ Sat Dec 12, 2015 1:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Front and rear Suspension Ball and cups |
I'd insist on Timken tapered roller bearings; they cost a bit more than noname ones but IMO they fit better, because the included spacer is the right width. So, you get the right bearing preload when assembled (as long as the swivel hub isn't worn inside). |
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| Author: | GundyGuy [ Sat Dec 12, 2015 4:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Front and rear Suspension Ball and cups |
Yes I will use Timken as the no frills brands you don't know where they came from or what old Windmill Steel they were made from Question is How do you hold the CV Stub Axle to get 150 ft/lb of torque when tightening the nut I would guess you use an old drive shaft set in the vice or similar? |
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| Author: | bluewhitecoopers1968 [ Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Front and rear Suspension Ball and cups |
GundyGuy wrote: Yes I will use Timken as the no frills brands you don't know where they came from or what old Windmill Steel they were made from Question is How do you hold the CV Stub Axle to get 150 ft/lb of torque when tightening the nut I would guess you use an old drive shaft set in the vice or similar? I'm trying to beat Dr mini to this... . Fit it in the car and get a frend to stand on the brakes with the road wheel on the ground. Tension away. 
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| Author: | GundyGuy [ Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Front and rear Suspension Ball and cups |
bluewhitecoopers1968 wrote: GundyGuy wrote: Yes I will use Timken as the no frills brands you don't know where they came from or what old Windmill Steel they were made from Question is How do you hold the CV Stub Axle to get 150 ft/lb of torque when tightening the nut I would guess you use an old drive shaft set in the vice or similar? I'm trying to beat Dr mini to this... . Fit it in the car and get a frend to stand on the brakes with the road wheel on the ground. Tension away. But from what i have read the bearings are set on the bench, not on the car |
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| Author: | gtogreen1969 [ Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Front and rear Suspension Ball and cups |
On the bench I use an old brake drum with 2 holes drilled through the outside. Then slide a bar through the holes. |
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