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Author:  flapper [ Tue Jan 26, 2016 3:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Wind Up Window's on 850's
Trying to find out if all very late 850's had wind up window doors. If so they should show up in the late parts lists.
We have come across Car no..588** still with sliding windows. which is close to the end of the run of 850's.
But there does seem to be some factory fitted wind up widow door's on 850's, I don't think the factory would of made one or two to order, maybe a special request for a quantity e.g.. PMG.

So anyone with a parts list, would you please be able to have a look for us.
Author:  TK [ Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Wind Up Window's on 850's
I have a Morris 850 purchased new November 1964. Has sliders and small number plate boot lid.
Author:  flapper [ Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Wind Up Window's on 850's
TK wrote:
I have a Morris 850 purchased new November 1964. Has sliders and small number plate boot lid.


Thank you for the reply TK. Any chance of you giving us your Car No ?

Maybe the Boot lid and flap was one of the first few Panels to be pressed here?
Author:  John Smidt [ Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Wind Up Window's on 850's
I remember 1965 there were some Mini 850's with
the one piece headlining and wind up window doors
Author:  gtogreen1969 [ Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Wind Up Window's on 850's
John Smidt wrote:
I remember 1965 there were some Mini 850's with
the one piece headlining and wind up window doors

Like this one?
Car 59588, has windups and one piece headlining.
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/hobart-c ... 1098614686
Author:  Bubbacluby [ Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Wind Up Window's on 850's
Morris mini minor I think was an 850cc car with wind-up windows. YG2S3
Author:  flapper [ Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Wind Up Window's on 850's
gtogreen1969 wrote:
John Smidt wrote:
I remember 1965 there were some Mini 850's with
the one piece headlining and wind up window doors

Like this one?
Car 59588, has windups and one piece headlining.
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/hobart-c ... 1098614686


Yes,so I am hoping someone can find them in the spare part list
Author:  TK [ Tue Jan 26, 2016 9:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Wind Up Window's on 850's
Flapper PM sent. Car number to remain private.

Bubba, yes.

GTO, doubt if those doors are original for that shell.
Author:  winabbey [ Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Wind Up Window's on 850's
flapper - John Sneddon on here is the one to ask. He's almost finished a book that is an attempt to document the production changes and their change point.
Author:  miniron [ Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Wind Up Window's on 850's
Another thing to consider is that the B pillar is slightly different on wind up window doors to fit the different door pressing around the lock area and the plastic door aligning piece is on the pillar and not the door.
Would BMC OZ have had 2 different side pressings at the time? One for wind up windows and one for sliding windows or would they sill be using UK sliding window side panels?

Just thinking about it.

RonR
Author:  flapper [ Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Wind Up Window's on 850's
miniron wrote:
Another thing to consider is that the B pillar is slightly different on wind up window doors to fit the different door pressing around the lock area and the plastic door aligning piece is on the pillar and not the door.
Would BMC OZ have had 2 different side pressings at the time? One for wind up windows and one for sliding windows or would they sill be using UK sliding window side panels?

Just thinking about it.

RonR


They continued to use the UK B pillar, it was just belted in a little bit around the latch area, for the door latch to pass better. As you may have seen if the B pillar was not belted in a bit, the latch gets damaged, or you could grind a little of the tongue.
Author:  flapper [ Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Wind Up Window's on 850's
winabbey wrote:
flapper - John Sneddon on here is the one to ask. He's almost finished a book that is an attempt to document the production changes and their change point.


Yes we know that John may have what we want, but we thought we would leave him alone, and that someone else on here may have a part list book, with the info that we are asking for.
Author:  winabbey [ Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Wind Up Window's on 850's
flapper - the main reason John is authoring the book is so questions like these can be answered. I think he'd be keen to help.

This is an example where parts books don't show the change point, unfortunately. I'm aware of many production changes to the Mini where the detail wasn't reflected in a parts book, and especially towards the end of a model's run when attention was being directed to the new model. For example, the MK II Cooper S parts book makes no mention of an alternator being fitted, only a generator.

The photo below is courtesy of miniresto on here. The Morris 850 on the left is a 1964 model with UK boot lid pressing. The one on the right is late 1964 or early 1965 and shows the Australian boot pressing that we think came into production in May 1964. You'll see both have sliding windows so a change to wind-up windows didn't happen at the same time as other body panels adopted the Australian pressing.

Mini Series parts list PUB1012 (below) issued in 1969 shows different doors for the Morris 850 Saloon and Van, and Morris Cooper versus the Mini Minor, De Luxe, Matic and Cooper S. The HYA part number prefix means an Australian part.

Finally, page 55 of Issue #5 of The Mini Experience has an Australian Mini timeline that includes the following:

1965

  • March - Mini De Luxe released with wind-up windows
  • May - Mini van gets wind-up windows
  • Oct - Morris 850 gets wind-up windows - name changed to Morris Mini Minor

So I guess it depends on whether the car in question is badged Morris 850 or Morris Mini Minor. If the former then it appears it always had sliding window doors.

Hope that helps in answering your question. :)

Attachment:
JH Morris 850's.jpg


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PUB1012 page RC2-1.jpg
Author:  MrFail [ Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Wind Up Window's on 850's
TK wrote:
I have a Morris 850 purchased new November 1964. Has sliders and small number plate boot lid.


Mine is a 64 (not sure when it was sold but all the parts are 64 stamped) and it has sliders, small number plate boot and single peice hood lining. .
Author:  TK [ Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Wind Up Window's on 850's
I have a two piece hood lining on mine.
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