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Reading the above I have no doubt that Lucas were supplying the new tail lights in Jan 1967. Whether they were fitted straight away or not would be another thing. If they kept a large stock of older style wiring looms and tail lights to suit then maybe the actual change was later. Lets see what Doug can come up with.

Thanks everyone for the replies.

I'm guessing it's most likely my car is meant to have 2 screw lights.

A thing I didn't consider either is the wiring. I had a loom made up to MK2S specs, so the wiring wouldn't fit the 3 screw lights anyway!

One questions regarding 2 screw.. are the screws the same between 2 and 3 screw? Or if not, are the correct ones available? I seem to be able to find sets of the 3 screws, but not the 2.

Cheers
James

jprior2912 wrote:

Why not try MKOL?

I have 2 screw lamps in my matic. However if I get any more grief with them I will have no hesitation in buying new 3 hole ones. The Lucas 2 screw lenses are NLA, and the aftermarket ones fade like buggery. I recoloured my old Lucas ones last time.

Author:	jprior2912 [ Sun Feb 28, 2016 12:29 pm ]
Post subject:	67 Deluxe - 2 or 3 screw tail lights?
Hi all, So I was just curious to find out. Should my mini have 2 ot 3 screw tail lights? The car is approximately June 67 and I believe it was in 67 they did the swap from 3 to 2? Any help would be great, thanks! James

Author:	gtogreen1969 [ Sun Feb 28, 2016 2:07 pm ]
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I have mid 67 listed but nothing specific. Also mid 67 was the change of the seat design and hydro pipe covers underneath. Not sure if these changes were at the same time or a rolling change over a few months. I will go through my photos and see what I can nut out. What wiring connectors do you have? The English made 3 screw L647 units required bulleted wire ends and Douglas connectors, whereas the Australian made 2 screw AL136 has Lucas terminals straight out of the bulb holder. This required the loom to have a special plug for the lower stop tail bulb holder and a single right angled connection for the indicator. ------------ Just went through some photos of MK1 Cooper S's and found the following. These cars currently have 3 screw tail lights fitted 1633, 1712, 1741, 1784, 1913. These cars currently have 2 screw taillights fitted 1867, 2132, 2217, 2337, 2374, 2670. Given that tail lights were changed over the years it still looks like the 2 screws were in by the 2300's in March 1967.

Author:	winabbey [ Sun Feb 28, 2016 5:44 pm ]
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As a starter, this Lucas Australia document says from January 1967. I can't check BMC documents at the moment as I'm still away from home. Attachment: Lucas_NVS_A29.jpg

Author:	rodmac [ Sun Feb 28, 2016 10:18 pm ]
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So the wiring harness changed from bullets to female spades when they made the change. My car which is early 2500 currently has 3 screw tail lights and the rear harness has bullet connectors - that's how it was when I purchased it but it certainly could have been changed. Based on what is above it should have 2 screw tail lights - learn something every day. Cheers Rod

Author:	gtogreen1969 [ Sun Feb 28, 2016 10:37 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 67 Deluxe - 2 or 3 screw tail lights?
Reading the above I have no doubt that Lucas were supplying the new tail lights in Jan 1967. Whether they were fitted straight away or not would be another thing. If they kept a large stock of older style wiring looms and tail lights to suit then maybe the actual change was later. Lets see what Doug can come up with.

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Author:	winabbey [ Mon Feb 29, 2016 6:20 am ]
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gtogreen1969 wrote: Reading the above I have no doubt that Lucas were supplying the new tail lights in Jan 1967. Whether they were fitted straight away or not would be another thing. If they kept a large stock of older style wiring looms and tail lights to suit then maybe the actual change was later. Lets see what Doug can come up with. I agree. We need some BMC info on this. It may be in John Sneddon's new book.

Author:	jprior2912 [ Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:13 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 67 Deluxe - 2 or 3 screw tail lights?
Thanks everyone for the replies. I'm guessing it's most likely my car is meant to have 2 screw lights. A thing I didn't consider either is the wiring. I had a loom made up to MK2S specs, so the wiring wouldn't fit the 3 screw lights anyway! One questions regarding 2 screw.. are the screws the same between 2 and 3 screw? Or if not, are the correct ones available? I seem to be able to find sets of the 3 screws, but not the 2. Cheers James

Author:	DavidE [ Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:16 am ]
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jprior2912 wrote: Thanks everyone for the replies. I'm guessing it's most likely my car is meant to have 2 screw lights. A thing I didn't consider either is the wiring. I had a loom made up to MK2S specs, so the wiring wouldn't fit the 3 screw lights anyway! One questions regarding 2 screw.. are the screws the same between 2 and 3 screw? Or if not, are the correct ones available? I seem to be able to find sets of the 3 screws, but not the 2. Cheers James Why not try MKOL?

Author:	jprior2912 [ Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:54 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 67 Deluxe - 2 or 3 screw tail lights?
DavidE wrote: jprior2912 wrote: Thanks everyone for the replies. I'm guessing it's most likely my car is meant to have 2 screw lights. A thing I didn't consider either is the wiring. I had a loom made up to MK2S specs, so the wiring wouldn't fit the 3 screw lights anyway! One questions regarding 2 screw.. are the screws the same between 2 and 3 screw? Or if not, are the correct ones available? I seem to be able to find sets of the 3 screws, but not the 2. Cheers James Why not try MKOL? I did talk to John about this on Saturday, he didn't have any

Author:	winabbey [ Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:58 pm ]
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Try Anthony Pearson - contact details in this thread. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=91943

Author:	drmini in aust [ Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:49 pm ]
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I have 2 screw lamps in my matic. However if I get any more grief with them I will have no hesitation in buying new 3 hole ones. The Lucas 2 screw lenses are NLA, and the aftermarket ones fade like buggery. I recoloured my old Lucas ones last time.

Author:	RNY997 [ Tue Mar 01, 2016 2:28 pm ]
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I thought 2 screw lamps arrived in 65 with the change to the deluxe/cooper S from the 850/cooper.

Author:	mickmini [ Tue Mar 01, 2016 4:10 pm ]
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My 66 Mini Minor had 2 screw lights when i got it (still got one, had to replace the other with a new 3 screw). It had been in a prang on the LHS though. Not sure if this meant that they replaced both sides or that was how it came from the factory.

Author:	Morris 1100 [ Tue Mar 01, 2016 4:12 pm ]
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The change point seems to be part way through 1967. It wasn't any earlier.

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Author:	DavidE [ Tue Mar 01, 2016 6:04 pm ]
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drmini in aust wrote: I have 2 screw lamps in my matic. However if I get any more grief with them I will have no hesitation in buying new 3 hole ones. The Lucas 2 screw lenses are NLA, and the aftermarket ones fade like buggery. I recoloured my old Lucas ones last time. Hope The Perfectionists don't pull you up if you go the 3-screw way! just grateful MKOL was able to supply the nylon nuts for my 2-screw lamps.