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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 5:30 pm 
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Reassembling rear backing plates:
when fitting the handbrake lever (inside the brake drum, not the one between the front seats), I can't work out which is LH &RH.
Does the rivet joining the 2 pieces have the head on the topside?
Or can they be fitted either way?
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 Post subject: Re: Handbrake question
PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 7:24 pm 
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Bill B wrote:
Reassembling rear backing plates:
when fitting the handbrake lever (inside the brake drum, not the one between the front seats), I can't work out which is LH &RH.
Does the rivet joining the 2 pieces have the head on the topside?
Or can they be fitted either way?
Thanks,
Bill


Does this help?
<https://minispares.com/catalogues/classic/Classic~Mechanical~Parts~Manual~1959-1985/Brake~System/Rear~Brakes~Single~Line~~Tandem.aspx?1~9~76>


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 Post subject: Re: Handbrake question
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Thanks DavidE,
I have already looked at that diagram, which appears to illustrate the RH, the parts list includes both R&LH obviously. Workshop manual shows the short arm, that passes through the backplate and is pinned to the cable, lying on top of the long arm but Miniking parts catalogue and Minispares show the short arm under the long arm.
Looking at another mini setup, the short arm is under the long arm. I was worried that would put the shoe return springs very close to the hub.


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 Post subject: Re: Handbrake question
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Do these help?

http://minikingdomonline.com.au/product ... embly-lhs/

http://minikingdomonline.com.au/product ... embly-rhs/

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 Post subject: Re: Handbrake question
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Bill B wrote:
Thanks DavidE,
I have already looked at that diagram, which appears to illustrate the RH, the parts list includes both R&LH obviously. Workshop manual shows the short arm, that passes through the backplate and is pinned to the cable, lying on top of the long arm but Miniking parts catalogue and Minispares show the short arm under the long arm.
Looking at another mini setup, the short arm is under the long arm. I was worried that would put the shoe return springs very close to the hub.


Bill,

The illustration on the Somerford Minis website shows both the levers (RH & LH) with the short under the long.


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 Post subject: Re: Handbrake question
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Bill B wrote:
Thanks DavidE,
I have already looked at that diagram, which appears to illustrate the RH, the parts list includes both R&LH obviously. Workshop manual shows the short arm, that passes through the backplate and is pinned to the cable, lying on top of the long arm but Miniking parts catalogue and Minispares show the short arm under the long arm.
Looking at another mini setup, the short arm is under the long arm. I was worried that would put the shoe return springs very close to the hub.

Bill,

In the dark blue coloured Leyland workshop manual (Page M-2 Fig M.3) the sectioned plan drawing shows the long lever being topside and the short one underneath. HTH Cheers


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This from the Australian Mini Series parts book PUB1012.

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 Post subject: Re: Handbrake question
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DavidE wrote:
Bill B wrote:
Thanks DavidE,
I have already looked at that diagram, which appears to illustrate the RH, the parts list includes both R&LH obviously. Workshop manual shows the short arm, that passes through the backplate and is pinned to the cable, lying on top of the long arm but Miniking parts catalogue and Minispares show the short arm under the long arm.
Looking at another mini setup, the short arm is under the long arm. I was worried that would put the shoe return springs very close to the hub.

Bill,

In the dark blue coloured Leyland workshop manual (Page M-2 Fig M.3) the sectioned plan drawing shows the long lever being topside and the short one underneath. HTH Cheers


Thanks again for your reply, DavidE,
I had already looked at that diagram and it only confused me. I am not experienced at reading technical drawings but took it to mean that the cross-sectional line through the end view was to be read in plan view looking UP as the arrows indicated - hence the long arm was BELOW the short arm.
In other words, I am beginning to agree with your conclusion, but there are contradictions: Mini Kingdom's 1999 catalogue in "Rear Suspension" c. page 200 shows the long arm UNDER the short arm!


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 Post subject: Re: Handbrake question
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Thanks winabbey,
That diagram nails it by showing LH &RH together.
Short lever under and rivet head on top.
Thanks again,
Bill


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 Post subject: Re: Handbrake question
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 7:23 pm 
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Bill B wrote:
DavidE wrote:
Bill B wrote:
Thanks DavidE,
I have already looked at that diagram, which appears to illustrate the RH, the parts list includes both R&LH obviously. Workshop manual shows the short arm, that passes through the backplate and is pinned to the cable, lying on top of the long arm but Miniking parts catalogue and Minispares show the short arm under the long arm.
Looking at another mini setup, the short arm is under the long arm. I was worried that would put the shoe return springs very close to the hub.

Bill,

In the dark blue coloured Leyland workshop manual (Page M-2 Fig M.3) the sectioned plan drawing shows the long lever being topside and the short one underneath. HTH Cheers


Thanks again for your reply, DavidE,
I had already looked at that diagram and it only confused me. I am not experienced at reading technical drawings but took it to mean that the cross-sectional line through the end view was to be read in plan view looking UP as the arrows indicated - hence the long arm was BELOW the short arm.
In other words, I am beginning to agree with your conclusion, but there are contradictions: Mini Kingdom's 1999 catalogue in "Rear Suspension" c. page 200 shows the long arm UNDER the short arm!


Actually, Bill, the line of the cross section and the two arrows means that everything above the line is taken away and you're looking down at the remainder. That shows the long arm above and the short arm underneath.
In standard othographic projection, elevation is the main view with the plan (the view from above) below that, and the end elevation (the view from the lhs) is to the right. Leyland confused the issue in the workshop manual illustration by putting the plan to the left and rotating it 90 degrees.


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 Post subject: Re: Handbrake question
PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 8:01 pm 
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Many thanks DavidE,
Yes, I should have started to realise that a "plan view" is not usually viewed from underneath (although I spend a lot of time looking at my car from that position).
I didn't know that the arrows meant "remove", as the diagram included the stub axle assembly. That makes a lot of sense.
Thanks again,
Bill


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