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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:14 am 
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meeni wrote:
And the 4efte in question is the turbocharged gt version, so not the slower then a wet week Australian delivered version.


All 4efte's are turbo, thats what the "t" stands for :wink: . There was no factory 4efte sold in AUS as far as i know.

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Back on the micra though, did they even sell the early ones out here? Or did Nissan just use the same engine in the ugly new bubble?


The old ones were sold here. But they came out about the same time as the starlet, so in terms of age of engine tech.. they are pretty much the same i would think.


I think everyone has put up some good points. I can completely understand what adam is thinking in terms of doing something a bit different to everyone. But what people have said above... it will almost certainly cost you more, and may give you lesser performance than more popular choices.

I think the most important thing, whichever engine you chose to use. Is plan and budget everything before you start.
Make sure you can afford to finish it before you start on the conversion. :wink:

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Ok sorry I was thinking of whatever's in the little starlet life things


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Ok sorry I was thinking of whatever's in the little starlet life things
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That was the 4EFE , no T means no Turbo.

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Hey Adam did you see this? The body work isnt completely my cup of tea, but the engine and drivetrain would be great in a clubman surely...

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item2c661c7571&item=190691702129&nma=true&pt=AU_Cars&rt=nc&si=yaw90wq%252Bp39hke7IOk6CfYsQ40I%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc


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just go with the Micra engine - it's not like you can't put a turbo on it later. That's what I'll do with my Honda, when I get some f*cking time to do it

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Hey Adam did you see this? The body work isnt completely my cup of tea, but the engine and drivetrain would be great in a clubman surely...

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&hash=item2c661c7571&item=190691702129&nma=true&pt=AU_Cars&rt=nc&si=yaw90wq%252Bp39hke7IOk6CfYsQ40I%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc


oh it has a cervo limited slip diff diff :-)

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@moe
From what i've read about the K3VE motor, they're quite good in the 1.3
I would consider the K3VET, ($2000 for a halfcut according to Ben @ Ichiban) but only came in auto. I would only want a manual, so would have to change the box.

Matiz motor doesn't really interest me too much though.

RE the driveshaft holes, it depends. Some people seem to be getting away with just enlarging the holes, others are having to chop the forward most side out.
I didn't worry about that too much with the model as it doens't affect much in regards to the tubework.

@Meeni
3 grand already? From what I can see, you've only got the motor and the subframe?
Or are you including the fancy pedal box and what not?

Either way, i'm not worried about the money. As long as it comes in around or under the 10K mark.

The K11 Micra got the CG13DE
The K12 Micra, (ugly bubble painted in nail polish colours) got the CR12DE. or the 1.4

@Marcello
The alto 4x4 sounds great, but integrating the 4x4 is more work than i'm after. Awesome idea though!

@Simon
Good thinking, my thoughts exactly

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Yeah Here's a brief list of things and a total

Engine
Cino gearbox
Steel for subframe
Aluminium for various bits
Alternator, dissy, driveshafts (std not yet machined)
R1 carbs
Suspension arms
Remote oil filter + fitting
Mock up front
Welding gas (argon x2)
Welding gas (argoshield)
Pedal box (no mc's yet)
Welding rods (aluminium, stainless and mild)

Currently sitting on around $2790.00

That also doesn't include the tig welder I bought just for this @ $2000

Yay it's not at all depressing when you start itemising it




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kirby wrote:
the 4efte is an ancient engine, the cg13de makes more torque in NA form than the 4efte and torque is power which is especially noticeable in a vehicle as light as a mini. assuming you get a fairly late model it will have vvti among other things so it will only use a fraction of the fuel of a 4efte and will deliver is power better.


Your measurement for ancient is "20 year old engine" yet both the 4EFE / 4EFTE and CG13DE come from the same era...

Torque is power yes and the 4EFE make more than the CG13DE..more power to boot as well:

CG13DE 1992-2003: 58kW / 78 lb-ft torque
4EFE 1989-1999: 74kW / 86 lb-ft torque

These are both almost identical 1300cc japanese engines with similar power output - i certainly wouldn't be arguing either way as the end result will be similar.

Not sure where you're getting your fuel consumption points from either...and why would you be comparing a NA turbo engine is beyond me.

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That price list that was posted is assuming you pay someone to make every individual component, which I doubt anyone does, with mates rates and diy it will only be a fraction of that.

In short good on you for pushing the envelope, don't give in to these people saying there preferred 20 year old engine is better or you might as well listen to some saying that technology peaked with the a series.


If Adam can get out drive away in NSW with everything done for less than 8K he will be doing extremely well. Look at meeni's costs above and you'll see how they add up - save money in one area and you will spend more in another, hidden costs will add up etc it's not an exact science - ask ANYONE who has completed a conversion for the costs involved.

I would much rather see Adam push the envelope by doing a modern direct injection, coil on plug, variable timing, econo motor.

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Cant remember the website but I found pics of a Sri lanken guy doing this micra conversion. From memory he had done quite a few of them . It was pretty crudely done, using limited resources they had on hand, but if you can find it you may get some ideas.

Post it up if anyone finds it.

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They would be BigChief I believe.

He's in Trinidad.

Look up Trinidad and Tobago Micra conversion, he's on just about every forum as Bigchief followed by some numbers.

@Josh, what econo motor do you suggest then?

SIrion GTI?

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@Josh, what econo motor do you suggest then?


Since you were so keen on the CB70 what about the 1KR-FE?

The Toyota KR engine family is a straight-3 piston engine series, designed by Daihatsu, which is a subsidiary of Toyota. The 1KR series uses aluminium engine blocks and chain driven DOHC cylinder heads.

It also uses multi-point fuel injection, and has 4 valves per cylinder with VVT-i.The engine is also exceptionally light with a 69KG weight with all ancillaries. This is due to the nature of the applications and weight of city cars.

1KR-FE used in
Daihatsu Sirion, Toyota Aygo, Citroën C1 and Peugeot 107

The 1KR-FE is a 1.0 L (996 cc) version built in Japan and Poland. Bore is 71 mm and stroke is 84 mm, with a compression ratio of 10.5:1. Output is 67 PS (50 kW) at 6000 rpm with 67.07 lb·ft (91 N·m) of torque at 4800 rpm or 71 PS (53 kW) at 6000 rpm with (94 N·m) of torque at 3600 rpm. Carbon emission levels are 109 g/km. This engine has been given the 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010[1] International Engine of the Year awards in the sub-1.0 liter category.

Applications:
Toyota Passo/Daihatsu Boon
Toyota Aygo/Citroën C1/Peugeot 107
Toyota Vitz/Yaris (2005–)
Toyota iQ
Daihatsu Cuore L276 (09.2007-)
Daihatsu Sirion M300
Subaru Justy (2008-)


Can't be too hard to find in Japan.

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Sounds like a ripper little engine :)


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Bnicho and I have discussed this engine before. He was looking at a Toyota Echo engine of similar size also. If you're looking at Aygo, consider also the Suzuki Alto donk.


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A friend has an Alto and it's put together horibbly - makes all kinds of noises at start up and the rool lining in the car has rusty water residue on it.

I think they're made in India??

Not up to usual Suzuki standards that's for sure.

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