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| Author: | minikook [ Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | gti swap |
g,day guys.just curious in knowing what is involved in a gti swap into a clubby?does the inner guards have to be cut a lot?not interested in a turbo version,just a non aspirated 5 speed.want to build a cruiser that doesnt rev its nut off at 120kph.also is the rego guys gonna be a prob in sydney?thanks cheers 
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| Author: | Metalfab_101 [ Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: gti swap |
minikook wrote: g,day guys.just curious in knowing what is involved in a gti swap into a clubby?does the inner guards have to be cut a lot?not interested in a turbo version,just a non aspirated 5 speed.want to build a cruiser that doesnt rev its nut off at 120kph.also is the rego guys gonna be a prob in sydney?thanks cheers
I suppose it depends on what your definition of a lot is The passenger's side needs to be cut away to allow room for the transmission. On the driver's side the engine itself fits within the confines of the inner guard, although room is scarce when it comes to ancilliaries (eg, alternator). Most guys reverse mount the alt and have it poking through a hole in the inner guard, though I have also seen pics of it mounted over the transmission and being powered via a shaft that is mounted to the front of the engine (not sure if that would go behind or in front of the enhaust manifold). GTi_Clubby has some good pics in this thread
As for revving it's nuts off, I think you will still need to look at gearing. I am pretty sure the GTi uses a larger dia wheel & tyre combo than can be practically fit to a mini, so a taller diff would be in order if you want to maintain similar revs to the GTi. I do know that a couple of different ratios are available in the Swifts, so you can probably do some mixing & matching. I did make a spreadsheet to calculate this for 4WDs (another hobby of mine) if I can dig it up i'll modify it to suit. You shouldn't have a problem with rego in NSW. Hopefully one of those guys will chime in, but i'd suggest you see an engineer or equivalent before you start. EDIT: added URL to GTi_Clubby's thread |
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| Author: | marcsvenson [ Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:24 am ] |
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Yeah as of yesterday i am the proud owner of a suzuki swift Gti thanks to striped 63 theres a bit to do as you would expect with any engine conversion Things that need changing for sure subframe needs building/changing some minor body mods very minor really and thats in a roundy in a clubby hardly any if any at all drive shafts need to be changed for obvious reasons can turn them down or cut and weld half a mini shaft to half a gti or get some sexy ones made up need disks with dual cylinders and circuit a little fabricating here and there wire it all up and yeah your getting close i would have missed something so add please and on the box ratio i think suzukis came with 14s wheels so if you put 10s on it will be revvy on open roads still better then a mini but still not great have been told that a holden 89 Barina box fits without and mods to anything and has a great drive for 10 inch wheels giving like 106 mph at 3 G revs 
which is a little better then my stocko 998 which gives about 106kmph at 26000 revs 
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| Author: | afh001 [ Sun Nov 06, 2005 12:23 pm ] |
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Yeah, the barina and swift cino boxes are a better bet for lower crusing rpm with 10in wheels, as they have a higher ratio 5th gear.. (0.757 vs 0.870 for std GTi box).. Both boxes have the same final drive ratio (4.105) I'm not sure about 10 inch wheels, but on 12's it think it works out to be about 3300 rpm @100km/h with cino box or 3800rpm @100km/h with gti box (Both in 5th gear of course..) Andrew |
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| Author: | minikook [ Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:00 pm ] |
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thanks for the info guys.cheers |
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| Author: | Metalfab_101 [ Sun Nov 06, 2005 6:09 pm ] |
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afh001 wrote: Yeah, the barina and swift cino boxes are a better bet for lower crusing rpm with 10in wheels, as they have a higher ratio 5th gear.. (0.757 vs 0.870 for std GTi box).. Both boxes have the same final drive ratio (4.105)
I'm not sure about 10 inch wheels, but on 12's it think it works out to be about 3300 rpm @100km/h with cino box or 3800rpm @100km/h with gti box (Both in 5th gear of course..) Andrew AFAIK the GTi boxes are a bit stronger and have closer gearing. If possible i'd rather stay with the GTi box and just change the diff ratio. |
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| Author: | drmini in aust [ Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:03 pm ] |
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GTI boxes are not that strong.. my mate had his stocko one go bang at 100,000km... 
I doubt a Barina box is much weaker. |
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| Author: | afh001 [ Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:43 pm ] |
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Metalfab_101 wrote: AFAIK the GTi boxes are a bit stronger and have closer gearing. If possible i'd rather stay with the GTi box and just change the diff ratio.
From what I've heard/read on the net, GTi boxes and standard swift boxes are identical in strength, Gti's just have a closer ratio gearset, but i could be wrong.. apparantly MK1 GTi's have stronger diffs though. Quite a few people use the swift cino boxes when they do turbo conversions, as the ratios are better suited, but i think they all a bit weak, regardless of what you use Andrew |
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| Author: | ausminis4u [ Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:39 pm ] |
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i was talking to blumin about the gear boxes a while back and he said the cino boxes were more mini friendly as the boxes were designed around 12 or 13 inch wheels rather than the 14s on the gti. |
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| Author: | blumin [ Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | GTI |
I'll post this one more time Suzuki gearboxes Mk2 & 3 Diff ratios GTI 4.105 Cino/Swift/Barina 3.523 & 3.9 The GTI box is not desireable for 10" or 12" wheels unless you want to climb verticle walls The GTI & Swift etc diffs are not interchangeable No part of a Mk1 box will fit a Mk2/3 box (gears diff etc) Cutting & shutting driveshafts is highly dangerous & illegal Blue |
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