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What is the price of Metro 4 piston Caliper Disc brake
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Author:  ojmini [ Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:28 am ]
Post subject:  What is the price of Metro 4 piston Caliper Disc brake
Is there anyone know how much for a set of Metro 4piston Caliper 8.5in Ventilated Disc brake?

Where can I get one or anyone have a spare one selling it?

Thank you :lol:
Author:  JC [ Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: What is the price of Metro 4 piston Caliper Disc brake
ojmini wrote:
Is there anyone know how much for a set of Metro 4piston Caliper 8.5in Ventilated Disc brake?

Where can I get one or anyone have a spare one selling it?

Thank you :lol:


There is gerenlly a set on Ebay for about $500. I believe that seller is in Melbourne too. brendan something or other.
Author:  Mokesta [ Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:26 pm ]
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Personally, I wouldn't get the Metro callipers. They are very heavy and you need to deal with the two-pipe feature. Not a biggie but you are also risking having to re-build them.
A better, but more expensive bet is to get the Mini Spares UK or Mini Sport 4 pot alloy callipers. These use the Metro pistons, seals and brake pads but have lightweight alloy callipers with only one brake pipe.
When using the vented disc, you need to use modified Metro drive flanges. The modification is to machine off the 4 big castellations that locate the metro wheel. The result is that you will have 12mm extra track width per side.
I have the mini spares versions, the anodising and surface finish is inferior to the Mini Sport version but they are functionally perfect and far cheaper.

M
Author:  minstar [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:01 am ]
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Mokesta, mate they maybe heavier but they are cheap, the difference in unsprung weight is pretty small considering you are still retaining he vented discs etc. As for the flanges, I bought a kit from P&L Minis and this came with a standard flange so no lugs. Also they use a single braided hose to the calliper and then a banjo hose to the other.

But I would agree with you the single hose calliper in alloy would be a nice solution. Mokesta any idea of cost in Oz $ to my door for the Mini Spares items...

Cheers

Matt
Author:  Mokesta [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:24 am ]
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Final price at your door is a bit of a gamble. You take the Mini Spaqres price Ex VAT (they don't charge the 18.5% GST equivalent if the parts are going outside the EU). Then you add about $70 to $?? for postage. This amount is linked to total weight so it depends if you get discs, pads, drive flanges, spacer kit etc.
Then you wait nervously while the parts go through Aus customs. If you are lucky, or if you have kept the total value below the "couldn't be bothered" limit, or if the parts are shipped marked "warranty replacement parts" then you won't have to add duty and GST.
The courier will call and get you to quote a credit card # for these items if you are to be charged. It can't be added to your original payment.
Then the stuff shows up at you door when you aren't home so you have to go to your local post office to collect it.
Simple....
I have not had much luck with the duty & GST in the past but apparently the "can' be bothered" limit is around $600 now. I brought my brake parts back in my luggage when returning from living in London.
I didn't have to pay duty or GST on the steering rack, which is the last thing I bought.

I don't know how the vented Metro discs can be fitted to a mini upright without using modified Metro drive flanges. They simply won't fit using the standard solid disc drive flanges. Maybe there are some different discs available??? Maybe sole of the thick top hat portion of the disc is machined off, it is about 15-18 mm standard so a bit can be removed.

M
Author:  minstar [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:34 am ]
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Mokesta, you brought your's on the plane too! I did that the whole kit include two rotors, callipers etc. Went through 6 Xray machines without a problem. Here's a pic of the kit I got with flanges (you'll notice no lugs etc). The flanges maybe specifically designed to get around metro drive flanges.

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Cheers

Matt
Author:  feralsprint [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:46 am ]
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The limit fot duty and GSt is now $1000 and anything below this amount is ok, unless you are having fedex or one of the other mobs rip you off :D

Jon
Author:  Harley [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:47 pm ]
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I bought and completely rebuilt some Metros.
Here's what I spent:
Brake setup: $600 I think
New Rotors: $150
New seals: $60
New Pistons: $160
Bleeder screws: $20

I still have to organise Hoses and get some ERA Bolts for the hubs too.
I've still spent more than whats listed, like when they were bead blasted
and when I had to get a bleeder screw recoiled. Add postage for the interstate parts
and paint and things and these become expensive. I hope they friggin work when (if)
I build a mini again! :evil:

Another note, 8.4" solid drive flanges can be used if the four bolt holes are opened up.
(May not be the best way but can be done)
Author:  minstar [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:53 pm ]
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Yeah I bought this kit in england for 250 pounds fully rebuilt. Best investment on a Mini I ever made. Great brakes.
Author:  Mokesta [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:34 pm ]
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Those are Metro drive flanges in the photo you submitted. You can tell by the large outside diameter. The four raised lugs are between the wheel nut holes and the big centre hole. The lugs on mine were machined off by Mini Spares as part of the kit. I have had the outside diamter reduced to match the standard mini diameter to suit the Moke Sunraysia wheels, which dish in and clash with the large OD.

It is not only the diameter of the calliper securing bolts (metric on Metro) that makes the solid disc drive flanges unsuitable. It is the distance between the swivel hub/upright and the insaide face of the drive flange. If you try to use the solid disc drive flange the disc face will strike the hub where the steering knuckle attaches AND the inside face of the disc hat (where the mount bolts are threaded) will strike the hub where the wheel bearing seals are. Only machining the disc where the threaded holes are will allow use of the solid disc drive flanges. The disc may then not run in the centre of the calliper and spacers could be required.

The photo below shows the set-up. I have spaced the disc and callipers towards the car by 3 mm to clear curved sunraysia wheels. It is not possible to space them by 5 mm. The standard drive flange has the inside face about 8 mm closer to the hub than the metro (it is not the same width). So, about 5 mm of the 17 mm thickness of the top of the disc would need to be machined off the disc AND the drive flange holes would need to be opened up. The combination would then work and you would have the correct track. You just couldn't swap discs quickly.

M


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Author:  minstar [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:39 pm ]
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Yeah Mokesta that was a bad picture. I'll show you the other ones. Also here's a pic of the braided lines etc...

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And here's the brakes from another angle. They came like this and had not been machined.

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My setup seems to run fine, wish I had a pic from the same angle so we could compare. May take one tonight because mine are a lot thicker than yours (flanges).

Cheers

Matt[/url]
Author:  Mokesta [ Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:44 pm ]
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OK the drive flanges in your photos are Metro. The groove around the middle nut is the give away. Check out the standard Mini 8.4" solid disc flange below:

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See how the standard flanges have the rasied portion around the nut and how the nut sticks out 12 mm further, indicating that the wheel mounting face is 12mm closer to the car.

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This is the Metro flange. See the groove and how the nut is further in:

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So, what you have is machined Metro drive flanges or ERA turbo drive flanges maybe... Either way the vented brakes do not fit onto the mini hubs with standard 8.4" solid disc drive flanges.

M

Here is a Metro flange on the hub with no disc:

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Author:  ojmini [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:57 am ]
Post subject: 
What would you guys recommend???

Should I order the whole metro kit from sparemini or buy from local mini workshop?

Can anyone please tell me how good is the KAD kit compare with metro kit?
is the KAD weight lighter and brake better or lighter but same performance
and what is the price to get a set of KAD Kit in Australia/UK???

thank you
Author:  Mokesta [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:59 am ]
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In terms of pure braking performance I reckon you'd have to be Skaife to tell the difference between the Metro Iron callipers, Mini-Spares, Mini-Sport and KAD alloys.
If un-sprung weight is important to you then the KAD are the best.
If you want the performance cheap, Metro is your choice.
If you want the cheapest alloy set, Mini-Spares are it.
If you want the best looking them KAD and Mini-Sport are close.
Getting prices on KAD gear used to be a bit hard, but I found they were almost twice the price of the Mini-spares kit. BUT I thnik KAD can do a set with standard mini drive flanges and also a really good set for 10" wheels. If you want to go OTT KAD do a disc rear set-up as well.

Sorry, but I've got no idea who in Aus is best to buy from. I have had poor experiences with just about everyone... I always import this type of item and buy standard consumables only from the local places.

M
Author:  92 [ Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:31 pm ]
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Minisport in Adelaide sell KAD stuff
I have 7.9'' vented KAD disc's on my 4efte coversion they use mini 8.4" drive flanges with 8.4" vented dics turned down they don't allow 10"steel wheels to clear but most newer alloy rims clear as for price look at $1400 just for calipers
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