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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:31 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:26 pm 
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Good luck with the build Al!!

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:15 pm 
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I try not to do things by halves, I’ve learned that lesson the hard way time and time again.
I know that to pull this conversion off properly, I’ll have to start virtually from scratch. I stripped the car, and pretty much got rid of everything down the bare shell and subframes.

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Typical mini under the carpets: floor is hardly in pristine condition. None of it has completely rusted through, the plate is just badly pitted. I'm thinking what I'll do is clean up the inside and repaint (replace if I have to), and weld a doubler plate into the floor running from the rear subframe mounts, down and back under the car to the footwell recesses. I'll probably have to modify the recesses themselves to be more like an aussie hydro car - this'll give me a place to run the fuel lines.
With everything gone, the car is once again looking how it did when I first got it.

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I also threw this in there - whether it's a permanent addition or not I'll decide later.

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I went and saw an engineer about my project too, and got the green light to build the car.
There may be a few hurdles from the cars late year of manufacture, so I won’t have the freedom to do what I want like you’d get from a 60s car, but there’s nothing to suggest I can’t do the engine swap anyway.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:32 am 
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I like the dash and have wanted one for mine for ages...

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:11 am 
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Excellent work Al, well done mate.

I think its always the right choice to go back to first principles and start from the begining. I like to start with the end in mind (every detail in fact right down to what colour the car will be and what tyres will be on it) and then reverse engineer it.

This solves a lot of unexpected problems along the way.

I wish you luck Al.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:45 am 
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Archangel007 wrote:
I like to start with the end in mind (every detail in fact right down to what colour the car will be and what tyres will be on it) and then reverse engineer it.


I'm exactly the same - except for the cars colour - but I know where I'm headed for everything else so far.


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Destined for success!!

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Wil that dash fit any round nose or are the Rovers a different shape?

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I actually built that dash for my deluxe five years ago. A lot more was done than you see in the above image. I also put all the Bini gauges and indicator stalks in there and had them working too. It's much better in the rover but it doesn't make much of a difference - none of the parts are unmodified from the original car.


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Well if you decide you don't want to use it I'm in!

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Having a rover I thought that would give me a nice head start as it opens up the world of possibilities to buy a conversion kit from overseas. I looked into these, but didn’t find anything suited to a swift engine that I liked the look of. Most things overseas just seemed a little on the light side to me. I’m sure they work, but I want something that looks, and is, a bit stronger for my own piece of mind.
Thinking I can do better than for the cost of importing one, I'm building my own like everyone else out here.

Hacked the donor subframe to bits, and put the engine there to measure up and see what I have to play with. Plenty of room in some areas, nearly none in others.
I had a few ideas in mind for how I was going to tackle this, but seeing the engine against the frame changes plans a bit.

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For my own curiosity - what section materials are people making their frames out of?


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Time to kick this build up a notch and bring it into the 21st century.

I mentioned earlier my garage skills are limited, however I do have some others at my disposal that will help me get this car built - the biggest one being that I could theoretically build / mock up the entire car conversion without so much as picking up a screwdriver - by doing it all on the computer.

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One of the first things I modelled was the original subframe. This way I could build the new frame 'inside and around' it and see exactly what resulted in what. I then concepted out some new frames.

Initial concept models were rough. I first looked at the ‘traditional’ frame layout, and then concepted an alternate variant out of plate. I showed both of these to my engineer and discussed the pros and cons of each. There was no clear winner over the other, he would’ve been happy to see any of them as long as they weren’t made of cheese and biscuits.

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I went away and decided to proceed with the sheet steel frame, like the original mini one, but kept running into the same problem over and over again: the layouts had very poor load paths through the structure into the rear and towers. I could do it, but eventually I accepted defeat in persuit of a stronger layout. On top of that, I wanted to build a frame that looks presentable, and professional, as if I purchased it from someone that’s made a few of them.
The tried and tested RHS spaceframe layout kept coming back as the best suited design.


After many variants and revisions, and a few hundred hours on the computer of design, refinement, and localised area FE model work, this is a near end result:

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It’s probably a bit overkill for some, but if I was an automotive engineer, that’s what I’d like to see under the bonnet of a car. I’ve designed it with more than 100hp in mind in case I decide to make the car more interesting later or stick it on a track. I’ve also made allowances for things that may ordinarily be considered unnecessary by some: things like jacking and towing points, integral sump guard, and the ability to change engine mounts without removing the engine.




I should have stopped there really, but like lots of this I have gotten a little carried away. :D

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The (original) front subframe model showed earlier for example is made of the same 29 pieces it is in real life and has an overall accuracy of less than 1mm to the real thing. Tyre treads are accurate to 0.2mm, and the brake calipers and engine block contain internal components even though I have no need to have modelled those because they aren’t of any relevance to the build.
All the steering and suspension parts can be manipulated to check for clearance on frame and engine members too, this way I won’t get it all together only to find out I have no steering!
The biggest advantages to this digital mockup is that at the end I can get all my parts lasercut and bent to minimise the amount of welding to be done (of which there will be a lot). Parts or sub assemblies can be sent out to specialist fabricators in case something is out of my own capabilities, and I play around with different layouts for ancilliary parts.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 10:53 pm 
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Love your work!


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That's some serious work you're putting into this. :shock: .. Top stuff!
What some call Overkill, you and I would call foresight.. Keep us posted and keep up the good work.

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When will the lazer cut kit be ready for sale? :D


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