But Aaron I gave you a direct comparison with a KAD equiped engine and you still want to argue about it, and you want to talk about flow rates which are important but are not the be all and end all of power or torque produced, combustion chamber shape,piston crown design and many other things will effect the engines ability to produce power, length of inlet tracks and design of exhaust willl also effect the readings but as you said you are not qualified, Matt is and GR is and so are many more on here and I have not seen any posts from Matt or anyone else forcing you to even consider doing a conversion

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gr car ran a 15.24 with grieg driving , mine did a 15.26 both doing about 2.3 60ft's

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Excellent benjamin,,, thanks for that,,, now we have "some" sort of "Poof of the pudding"... that is more "real life" dyno figures right there... sweet & well done... go the small bore turbo

Aaron,,, it may be be better if you actually read my posts

Quote from you--->"""yet you have no proof, nor will you build one to back your claim, nor will you put one in a real life situation for people to see..... """""

Now a quote from me from previous post at the further back on this page (and many others )--->"""yeah i have one nearly finished Aaron,,, (it`s only a 998) it is happening & will be running shortly,,, Anyone can come around here & see it all layed out ready... (amongst many others in the fray)"""

Aaron,,, what that means is that i have prepared a small bore Twinky... & now it`s ready to build,,, it`s sitting here pretty well ready to bolt together & shove into my car,,, sorry about it taking so long mate but i have other things on my plate... i`ve even set up all the ancillarys like water outlet & bleed/burp pipe & thermostat hsgs & rad has been modified/cleaned , top braket is made & ready to fit, the cyl head has been over hauled , The block has been bored, champfered, top of the block has been modified ready to bolt the head on, new hypertec pistons have been fly-cut,,, the crank has been ground & pollished ready to fit, i have all the bearings & oil pump now ...& even have a mini cam with the lobes ground off etc etc etc all the breathers & oil drains are finished, conversion kit, pulleys etc are all at the ready,,, the plenum chamber alone has taken more than a few days to complete but it`s now sitting here ready to bolt on... etc etc etc,,, man all this stuff doesn`t take just a few days to prepare,,, in amongst trying to make a std living & have an occasional surf

Man ,,, i have prepared a few other small bore blocks for this very purpose also & done them a few different ways, but this one is just about ready to slap together

I had a great argument with a fella previously because he claimed i was intentionally witholding info & stuff like that,,, yet most of the ducks-guts of the conversion have been on my web site for quite a few years with pictures & even a video of my first one running on the ground,, how can people even contemplate saying things like this when it`s all been out in the open for such a long time???

The build guide alone has cost me more time than the actuall conversion has,,, so please don`t try to tell me, or the world, that i`m not going to do this stuff when it`s plainly obvious that i am ... there are many others who have bought my kit ,,, & yes they have bought the conversion on it`s own merrits obviously because they see the potential of it.

No one that i know of has built one with less hp than a 5 port of the same size, (((that i`m aware of))),,, can you show me a very poor one please???

if i`m having to justify the good points, then to be fair,,, may i ask anyone to dis-prove or dis-credit the quality of it??? like even """A""" reason why they think it won`t be better???



if you`re sick to death of all the hype & can`t stand the suspense then i can TOTALY understand that,,, man i`ve been doing this stuff for YEARS & if you or anyone else is anxious,,, can you then maybe possibly understand how anxious i am about all this???
i can tell you that i`m more anxious than anyone in the whole dam world & am champing at the bit to have all of these engines up & running Dynoed & improved & sorted & info all out in the open,,, if i had nothing better to do & if i had huge sums of money so i can spend all day,,, every day just purely building twinkys,,, then i would mate,,, save for the occasional surf , &/or the occasional gearbox replacement for my kombi

Man i try to have a life as well,,, just like anyone else

Graham Russle-upleaves has had a 2nd hand Bimmer twinky head sitting there for ages, like since the beginning of last year, & he hasn`t had time to get to it yet.

all you had to do was ask him just like i did on the phone today,,, (((i suspected he already had one,,, how could he not be curious?????) but he hasn`t had the time to get to it yet,,, why do you, or anyone else, think i have any more time than GR??? In fact i have less because i sit here & on other mini forums typing stuff in (Trying to) help people out with all sorts of mini repairs & parts etc

cut me some slack please???????????????????

& Please don`t take all this the wrong way like that "other" fella did a while ago,,, anyone can have a go at me all they like for taking too long to do things,,, but claiming that i`m not doing anything towards it ??????????? well like i said before,,, Rome wasn`t built in a day

Re-quote--->"""nor will you build one to back your claim, nor will you put one in a real life situation for people to see"""",,,,,,,, Cut me some slack Please????????????????

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No offence intended here but--> anyone writing a book about minis 30 years ago may not have experienced such worn or stuffed-with components as we are finding these days.

You should put your heart & soul into everything you do.

Actually you gave me a direct comparison with turbo's. I want them out of the equation. Results Ex Uk mean nothing to me, sorry but i don't believe there results. What i want to see is N/A v N/A. Pretty simple ask really.
Sure GR is qualified to go through all this. I don;t know matts qualifications so i can;t comment, nor will I.
Speaking to GR about these sorts of things at length over a long period of time i have an understanding of it. Sure I am no expert, nor have i said as much, I have in fact posted a few times that I am not, throughout this Conversation. I am still yet to see evidence that this is a good conversion. Why can;t this be supplied. Again, leave off on the turbo's. YOu can make anything work with a hair drier. N/A results.
Matt isn't forcing me to do his or any number of other Conversion Kits available for a BMW head, but why would I be enticed, NO ONE is willing to put up Hard evidence that the thing works.....

Also, how many Thread do we need on this?

Anyone else want to tell me i don;t need Facts and to believe without seeing? I should go join one of those fantastic cults that they have in the US......

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Oh,,, & just for the record... i have no idea who feralsprint is apart from the usual banter on this board & we have bought & sold the odd part between us,,, never met eachother nor are we in any comunication about this Twinky stuff off this board,,, so if anyone even thinks we are in together on this by his information shared about these twinkys then i can assure you all (& i`m sure he will too) that the first i heard of the information he`s revealed about the quality of these twinkys was on this board in the open forum

so we are not ganging up or married in any way

however i thank him here right & now,publicly for his support
thanks man, you obviously have done some good homework

& to all the others who i`ve recieved support from, on & off the board via phone calls & e-mails,,, i thank you all from the bottom of my heart

i`m probably more emotional about all this than anyone,,, i`ve put more of an investment (time, money & passion) into this more than anyone i know so i`m more keen to see some results than anyone

please be fair with me,,, there is only one of me ,, & i try to lead a relaxed lifestyle which obviously doesn`t cater for "Everyones" wants/needs

The amount of people i`ve helped creat twinkys on the net, all over the world is such a good feeling,,, quite a number of the Phomy & Yanky ones are now a reality because of my work & help,,, jump on any of the English forums & just ask them.

some people have only the one project car,,, sorry to anyone who thinks i should be the same,,, i have about 7 project cars & i try to get a little bit done on everyone of them every day,,, it takes a bit longer than just one little twin cam mini engine.

& yes,,, i surf nearly every week at Byron,,, can you blame me???

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No offence intended here but--> anyone writing a book about minis 30 years ago may not have experienced such worn or stuffed-with components as we are finding these days.

You should put your heart & soul into everything you do.

Matt, great, yes i missed that and am glad that you will build one.

My apologies on that.
YOur posts tend to be a bit verbous and hard to follow sometimes that i skipped over that....

But what my concern is, is that they (the heads) have no information i can find that i can compare apple with apples. Sure there great on a Bike and all, but really, and we have been over this. I just want to see some results. Having made the kits, surly you wold have wanted to get some ideas of performance etc before going through with building a run of kits?

Understand I am not having a go, i just want the right information. As i am sure most others do too. Not being a keyboard bandit either. I just want the information so i can make an informed decision on weather or not it would be something i would buy. It may not be a winner for my little old traveller van. But it is something to consider for Scrapper. More torque is a good thing, Constant flat curves are a good thing. All great for motorkhana, but i am yet to see something that show's me that. All i am asking for really.

Anyway, I have had enough for the time being. I will wait patiently for you or someone else to finish there builds and to pop up some Figures so they can be perused.

Until then
Adios to this thread

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Aaron ,,, i totally understand your point,,, i really do,,, & i`m sorry about the long posts,,, that`s just me trying to relay all the info so that people don`t get the wrong idea like one partiular fella did a while ago

the fact is that ( & i`ve posted this ages ago) that we had our big bore running & tuned years ago,,, it was soooo dam good & i compared it`s perfomance with my 1500cc roady directly,,, but the twinky was only a 1360 Low compression N/A donk,,, it was THAT good!!!

i was sooo choofed about it that i then had to make a hard decision,,, was i to fit the turbo now,,, or rip the donk out & apart to copy my first kit & make a whole pile of them???

well i took it out & began the long haul with my machinist, but the CNC broke down & after a dam long time he finally bought a new mega dollar one which then took quite some time to get accustomed to,,, all the while my first kit sat on the shelf down there doing diddly squat & blah blah blah,,, it took f`kn ages to get it all done & along the way we improved & refined the kit which also took ages longer,,, man i`m embarrased about the time but very proud of the quality & price.

finally we got time to get back onto it & all the kits were only finished late sept last year, christmas strikes & holidays prevailed , my kombi gearbox blows up nearly every month etc etc etc & here we are

But now we`re back on the program

sorry it`s taken so long but i`m not mucking about,,, i really am trying to get some engines running for all to see,,, i promise that i will get some numbers when we`re ready,,,

cheers for your honesty & understanding mate,,, realy appreciate it... & again sorry for the long winded dribble

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No offence intended here but--> anyone writing a book about minis 30 years ago may not have experienced such worn or stuffed-with components as we are finding these days.

You should put your heart & soul into everything you do.

IMO engine dynos which measure power at the crank are good for the ENGINE power measurements but once you run that power through a clutch, a gear box, a diff, CV's, drive shafts, hubs/bearings then wheel and tyres the power the CAR puts down on the road can be hugely different, that easily explains the 20bhp difference between the 2 engines which both make 140bhp at the crank. What are the torque figures, are they the same on both engines at the crank?.

Matt; what I would love to see is, say two 1275cc engines built to be identical except for the heads. One with a std 'S' head and carby and the other with a std BMW head and carby set up. Then tune each engine to peak performance and dyno them on the same day and conditions as each other. I think that would give everyone an idea of what these BMW heads are capable of.

Yes your turbo 1170cc engines will give huge power but so will a blown iron head if it's built correctly but theirs no point in comparing these two completely different engines, their both in different leagues.
I'm sure you understand this it's just some people see you saying 150-200 odd bhp out of a highly modified BMW headed mini and they know you can get similar figures out of a moded A series so they remain skeptical.
Personally I know they will make more power that a 5 port ironhead but I don't know how much as I've never seen the two equally compared.

Edit: Looks like arron and Matt have just covered this .

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Kenno mate,,, yeah i`d dearly like to have those 2 engines ready right now, yes that`d be great & certainly would solve this problem,,, Because i allready know which would be the far better engine as i`ve already driven my 1360cctwinky at only 8:1 compression with Bimmer cams that aren`t supposed to be suited & it went pretty well as well as my 1500cc roady,,,however to make those 2 engines that you talked about takes time & money & i`m working towards that,,, but the build guide & the small bore twinky donks & my kombi gearbox dramas , & the 4x customers twinky engines that i`m building all get in the way... not to mention my surfing

cheers guys ,,, again sorry for the blabber,,, i am an emotional sort of guy,,, & Aaron i took this topic out of the other thread because it`s not what that thread is about & isn`t my thread to play twinky banter with.

check out what John K at Specialist components England has said about his 1293cc twinky here-->
http://www.theminiforum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=48390&st=0&p=536678&

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No offence intended here but--> anyone writing a book about minis 30 years ago may not have experienced such worn or stuffed-with components as we are finding these days.

You should put your heart & soul into everything you do.

Well, we've had some people try to debate stuff and the response has been remarkably emotional.

Matt says he's building race engines, so let's see 'em race. BTW, what type of racing are we doing? 1/4 mile gear box breakers, endurance crank snappers or sprints?

I'm sure that unless someone builds 2 identical cars and fits two different engines then all the anti-dyno crap will just be dragged out again. Oh, that car was only faster because it ran a different diff ratio/clutch/fat bastard/tyre pressure/camber blah blah rhubarb rhubarb.

Fact, a properly calibrated engine dyno that has the correct atmospheric corrections is the closest you are going to get to a "dual of engines".

In my humble opinion a Twinky will be the 1 litre version of the current Falcon V8. A head suitable for big revs stuck onto a block from a tractor that's just gagging to throw a leg out of bed. Sure, there may be one or two cranks suitable for big revs and ok life but they alone are worth more than a modern jap 4 cyl. I reckon it would be an improvement on the standard 5 port but meh, if you're gong to modify, why not REALLY modify??

I absolutely hate to knock a project like this where someone is determined, clever and persistent. I love individual projects and this one's pretty cool.

We've all got too much going on in our lives to get our projects done when we want them. Maybe we should all give up about 3 projects and actually make progress on one! I don't seem to manage it but that bloke who built Scrapper 2 sure did!

Oh, and Matt, when are you going to fit a decent Porsche transaxle to that bus of yours??

So back to the ALL CAPS BOLD SHOUTING, I'll grab the popcorn...

M

hee hee,,, well done Mark

& yeah you`re right abou a few things I just love your common sense, no Bullsh!t attitude

& now that i`ve spent over $10,000 on that dam kombi box,,, i`m not turning back ,,, yes that is $10,000 big motha ****** $$$$s on a silly bloody kombi gearbox not to mention the many interum 2nd hand boxes i`ve had to throw in there inbetween lunching the good one every time just to keep me on wheels

The dam (2nd) diff just cost $2500 It`s like a quaife but made by peloquin in the states & they run 800hp V8 sand rails through them & claim that if i can break it, then they will replace it

The 2x Turbo twinky race donks will be (or rather i`m attempting) full house "slot-car" type engines for circuit racing,,, the cyl head should allow close to 10,000 rpms so i`ll squeeze whatever i can out of them with as much boost as i can,,, & if/when one goes bang then i`ll back it off a few lbs & drop the revs a hundred or 2

The roadys are first to be completed tho,,, I have another one ready to bolt together here for a customer but he wants to take the block away & get it all cleaned & painted his own special way & colour,,, so i`ll be waiting to get it back from him before i can continue the thing, so this week it`s out with my kombi gearbox (again) & fit the mega dollar one back in & 9th time lucky maybe

& i`ll have all the wiring & plumbing on the turbo twinky moke done this week (hopefully) so i expect we shall have it half ready to tune sometime next week.

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No offence intended here but--> anyone writing a book about minis 30 years ago may not have experienced such worn or stuffed-with components as we are finding these days.

You should put your heart & soul into everything you do.

you're not going to buy one, you arent even interested!

you just want to take a huge steaming $hit on it!

matt is trying to better the mini community by designing a bolt on twin cam kit and he is wasting his time defending it to the people who should be supporting him!

its because of people like madmatt, Graham Russell and Ben afford that people like me can modify our minis and blow the doors off new intercooled turbocharged cars uphill in a straight line!!!!

we owe them our support and encouragement, not doubt criticism and
negativity.

laughed my guts out,,, thanks man

"""huge steaming sh!t on it""",,, hee hee made my day man

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No offence intended here but--> anyone writing a book about minis 30 years ago may not have experienced such worn or stuffed-with components as we are finding these days.

You should put your heart & soul into everything you do.

calm down guys, have another cuppa

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Super-mini ... Ur opinion is yours and u r entitled to it. Unfortunatly u a misinformed and ur language shows the lack of maturity that u have approached this discussion.matt, u to then agree and laugh at it just gives me a bad impression of u as a person and business owner, seriously, I have tried to keep to my point and have a discussion about this in a respectable manner. Now that the keyboard banditry has started I won't bother. And no, I won't be buying a kit. I had thought seriuosly about it but had no facts. But, now, sorry attitudes towards buyers mean slot to me.... No great loss for u....,
And supermini, pull ur head in, language like that does no good in these situations and shows a distinct lack of maturity.
I tried to keep it civil, but comments like this Is the exact reason I don't post anything but throw away comments.
I'll go back to the unconstructive comments as that's what is accepted as ok round here. Opinions count for nought.... Facts too it seems....

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