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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:16 pm 
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You need to reduce drag. Not just aero drag but mechanical drag. Look at everything and I mean everything.


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Morris 1100 wrote:
You need to reduce drag. Not just aero drag but mechanical drag. Look at everything and I mean everything.


I'll make sure to lose the dress.

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Mr P, I have seen the results of a 998 block, 850 thicktail crank, 998 pistons , cut a lot off the block, custom thrusts, Metro turbo cam, 12G295 head ( ported ), a few other mods for reliability = 50hp, impressive result from a 930, we know this because a warm Sports 850 with RE13 cam dynoed at 47hp could'nt keep up :) :wink: ( Mr M would have been a bigger distance in front but his clutch was slipping )

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poeee wrote:
Morris 1100 wrote:
You need to reduce drag. Not just aero drag but mechanical drag. Look at everything and I mean everything.


I'll make sure to lose the dress.

I was thinking more along the lines of a two speed gearbox. :D


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Ok. I'll pack the dress.

How much power would something like that really save at the wheels??

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poeee wrote:
Ok. I'll pack the dress.

How much power would something like that really save at the wheels??

I don't know. But when you have very little power every gain is worthwhile.
You may find that with wheel bearings the ball bearings might have less drag than the roller bearings. A wipe of oil might give less drag than packing them in grease.
Not running an alternator will save drag.
Pot joints vs. Hardie Spicer vs. Rubber crosses. (my bet would be pot joints)
Drums vs Discs.


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Mr P, I have seen the results of a 998 block, 850 thicktail crank, 998 pistons , cut a lot off the block, custom thrusts, Metro turbo cam, 12G295 head ( ported ), a few other mods for reliability = 50hp, impressive result from a 930, we know this because a warm Sports 850 with RE13 cam dynoed at 47hp could'nt keep up :)


I'll vouch for that, even with his slipping clutch I couldn't get away from him in my warm 1152 :!:

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Morris 1100 wrote:
poeee wrote:
Ok. I'll pack the dress.

How much power would something like that really save at the wheels??

I don't know. But when you have very little power every gain is worthwhile.
You may find that with wheel bearings the ball bearings might have less drag than the roller bearings. A wipe of oil might give less drag than packing them in grease.
Not running an alternator will save drag.
Pot joints vs. Hardie Spicer vs. Rubber crosses. (my bet would be pot joints)
Drums vs Discs.


keep going....

no radiator fan
skinny wheels - what sort?
no flares
flat panel under the rear subframe extending to the beaver panel lip


hmmmm... my S would only need to hit 126mph to get the H/PRO record. Didn't they get 130 down Conrod in the 60's?

there is a guy in my local car club who flicks spanners for a converted AU taxi (still in taxi colours) and an early Monaro - both over 200mph I think

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Production Coupe and Sedan: /PRO (Gas Only)
This category is intended to represent typical transportation vehicles which may be purchased from ANY automobile dealer. 500 examples of the model used must have been produced yearly. In keeping with this intent, the cars are aerodynamically "stone stock" with no body parts allowed which were not part of the manufacturer’s production for the series of the vehicle involved. The engine used must have been available in the model of vehicle used as purchased from ANY automobile dealer. Modified body, body panels, spoilers, air dams, etc. intended for, as accepted or sanctioned by NASCAR, NHRA, SCCA, IMSA, etc., are not permitted for use in this category unless specifically allowed. A manufacturer’s part number does not constitute an original, factory installed body part. Both exterior and interior body panels are considered to be part of a production vehicle and must be mounted in their original relationship to each other. A different displacement size of the same design engine may be used, provided it does not constitue an "Engine Swap" as defined in Section IV-12. Vehicles originally produced as a front wheel drive chassis and converted to rear wheel or four wheel drive chassis are NOT eligible for competition in the Production category. Choice of camshafts, carburetion, and ignition is unlimited. Cylinder heads are limited to original number of valves and port configuration.


obviously de-seaming isn't allowed, but are bumpers required?


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Drums you can back the shoes in, where as discs will always be touching. However the point is to go as fast as you can, so you wanna be to stop as well as you can. Even though Lake Gairdner is 100 miles long or something.

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Discs are not always touching pads (unless calipers are old and neglected).
The rubber seals flex outwards under pressure, then pull the piston back when released.

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Wheel and tyre wise. Well they like to run steel wheels. Then you need tyres that are rated higher than the record or something like that. Formula R's are the cheapest tyres that fit that criteria.

They won't let you run the rear subframe closed in. Would be classified as a belly pan??

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I would probably run 1275LS wheels with 145/70-12 tyres with about 50 to 60 psi in them. I think the stock tyres would meet the speed rating. (unlike the HQ tyres we ran at Bathurst at one stage!)

Simon, the Cooper S never reached 130mph at Bathurst. One of the lightweight Closed Sports (Sports Sedan) reached about 126 or something like that but it was a modified body.


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rule book P18 says "No cast iron / cast aluminium flywheels are permitted". I might be having brain fade - are our flywheels cast iron?

I think the PRO classes will allow you to use Nitrous

Morrie is right about the wheels - 1275LS or Rover 12" wheels with 145's would be the go.

rule book says the belly pan must cover 51% of the undercarriage to be classed as a belly pan - P22


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That's a mod to the contour of the body though???

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poeee wrote:
That's a mod to the contour of the body though???


no idea, I don't make the rules - depends what they mean by contour, if it's just the shape, then it shouldn't count


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