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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 3:02 pm 
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this is exactly what im lookin for. Just would need a pulley to run higher boost like around 14psi. Ill send u a pm for recomendations as to what i should do with my 1275.

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The SC12 supercharger will not safely produce 14psi. 10psi at the most i'm afraid. Over that, and it begin self destructing. Trust me, Ive done it before.

Please note, this system can not fit an intercooler.... so I would not run it over 7psi anyway.

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Just thought I should get in on this since I made the kit
What sc850 has said is mostly correct
You can run up to approx. 12psi of boost then you start getting into trouble the coating on the supercharger rotors starts to melt. Mine runs 13psi and took 3 years to just start melting but still ran fine just dropped 1pound of boost.
Pulley sizes can be changed depending on what boost you want, ranging from 7 to 12. But boost levels can vary quite a bit dependant on the state of mods. to engine eg. ported head, cam,high lift rockers.

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hi 92, good to see you on the forum,,, i see you have 4efte in your signature,, you have any pics?? love to see another one on the road... :D

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Hey Ben, good to see your presence on here finally!!

I guess NOW would be the time to say whether or not you actually WANT to keep building these kits.... :roll: :lol:

Alot of people are asking about using the SC14 on a modified/similar kit...


For those who would like more detail on the supercharger itself, here sre some notes from somewhere on the net.....

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Toyota’s “SC” Series Supercharger, SC12 and SC14

Description and Operation

Both of these superchargers are roots-type positive displacement superchargers.

The rotors are fluorine resin coated. The units have their own lubricating oil, 130cc. Stock boost is regulated to about 0.7 bar, and the units are normally driven at 1.25 times crank speed (4A-GZE has a 7500rpm redline). Oversize pulleys are available.

The Toyota 4-AGZE motor was used in the 86-89 MR2 Supercharged edition MR2s. The motor is a modified 4-AGE unit coupled to an electronically engaged roots type supercharger manufacturer currently unverified) and a Nippon Denso air-to-air intercooler. Static compression ratio of the motor was dropped from 9.4:1 to 8.0:1. The camshafts are identical to a normally aspirated car, although their timing may be different. The motor is fitted with a different type of injector with a higher flow capacity. Boost level is set at 8 PSI and achieved at 4000 RPM and higher, however the supercharger creates usable boost from idle through redline.

The supercharger is driven by a serpentine belt off of the crankshaft and shares its drive belt with the water pump.

The supercharger adds heat to the intake charge both by conduction of housing heat since the supercharger is bolted onto the engine and also by pressurizing the intake charge. With the bypass valve open and the supercharger disengaged the intake system raises the intake charge temperature by about 30 degrees F once everything is up to operating temperature. Running under full boost with an outside air temperature of 50 degrees F the air temperature of the SC outlet can get as high as 270 degrees F.

Vent holes are placed at three points in the housing. One in the rear gear housing and one to each of the shaft ends of the vanes on the front of the supercharger. The vents are all connected together via external metal tubes and hosing. An air valve is connected to all the vents, which can purge them to the intake system after the airflow meter but before the throttle body.

Supercharger Clutch

The supercharger clutch works in the same way as an air conditioning compressor clutch. The pulley itself spins freely on the supercharger- input shaft. A coil of wire sits behind the pulley and a metal disc sits in front. The front disc is connected to the actual input shaft of the supercharger. When the coil is energized, the disc is drawn against the rotating pulley and they then rotate together as a unit until the coil is de-energized.

The manufacturer intended this clutch to be operated based on intake manifold vacuum. If vacuum drops below 8"Hg the supercharger clutch is engaged. The clutch should stay on until the intake manifold vacuum has risen to over 10"Hg for a period of 5 seconds. This time delay is required to avoid cycling of the clutch during shifts and momentary throttle transitions. A delay circuit is required to replicate this behavior when fitting these units to other vehicles

The manifold vacuum during highway driving will be low enough that the SC clutch will stay engaged all the time with an appropriate controller circuit of this type

Physical and Functional Data
Type---Year------Model------Length-----Width------Height----Weight----Displacement
SC14--85-89+---1G-GZE----311mm----148mm----254mm---11.9kg----1420cc
SC12--86-89+---4A-GZE----249mm----148mm----254mm---10.8kg----1200cc

Maintenance Data

Supercharger bearings

For the small bearing (shorter shaft, sealed only one side)
Koyo part number: 03NU0514-7
Inner diam: 0.668"
Outer diam: 1,772"
Thickness: 0.548"

For the thicker one, sealed both sides
Number unreadable, but seal number 03NU0518-2 (the "8" is a guess)
Same inner and outer diameter,
Thickness: 0.705"
10,000rpm +

Lubricant

The gears are run in Toyota supercharger oil, Toyota part number 08885-80108. Total gear housing capacity is 130ml. Other types of lubricants may work satisfactorily. It is not unreasonable to expect a decent hypoid gear oil to work. A 90-weight synthetic gear oil appears to be the closes t commonly available equivalent.

Disassembly

Two special tools are required for disassembly of the supercharger; SST 09504-00011 for keeping the pulley from rotating while you undo the nut that holds the clutch hub to the supercharger. If you have an impact wrench you might be able to get by without this for removal. However you will still need something to hold the pulley when you tighten the nut down upon re-assembly. SST 09814-22010 for removing the ring nut that holds the clutch pulley on. You can't get by without this short of having a set of ring nut sockets or custom building the equivalent tool.

Calculating Blower Characteristics

(Assuming the same blower : crank RPM ratio, and assuming the same inlet/outlet temps)

Pbig 3D Psmall * (Dbig / Dsmall)
Psmall 3D boost pressure with small blower in *absolute* units
Dsmall 3D displacement of small blower, any units
Dbig 3D displacement of big blower, same units as above
Pbig 3D boost pressure, in absolute units, with big blower

If you had 10 psi with the SC12, that's 24.7 psi at sea level.

With an SC14. (1.42L vs. 1.2L )
24.7 * (1.42 / 1.20) 3D 29.2 psi at sea level, or 14.5 psi boost

This is only a basic calculation and doesn’t take into account temperature and altitude.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 5:29 pm 
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thansk man for all that info. now i gotta decide if i want to use the sc12 or sc14 lol :?

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I ll continue to make the SC12 kit for those who want one.
As for a SC14 kit i ll look at making one if poeple are interested might take a while though There are a few problems with making it work (pulley sizes & mounting lugs in awkward spots) but were there is a will theres a way

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I was just wondering why you say you can only run around 13psi boost without melting the coating on the rotors of the supercharger, when people put 175mm pulleys on 4ag-ze's to boost them up to 14psi. Surely, with the A series being a smaller capacity motor you should be able to boost them higher than 13psi without the rotor coatings melfting, or am i missing something? Maybe the intercooler on the 4ag-ze?

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what ull prob melt is the rotors in the supercharger not the motor. If they spin to fast then the friction will build up n somethign will suffer n most likely will be the rotors in the superchager. But the cooler the air temp the more ud be able to run without a problem and the warmer the air temp the lower boost ud have to run unless you have a way of keeping the rotors in the supercharger cool.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:55 pm 
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92,

I am interested in how your supercharged 998 goes? Have you got any specs etc, as i am looking at going down that path too. It would be interesting to compare to a race 1380 or similiar.

Cheers, Rob

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Rob there is a thread about the Sydney Dyno day with hp figures and kazims? 998 turbo fares very well in that sort of company.

Here's the link:

http://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5095&highlight=dyno

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I hadn't seen that post before - the little 998Turbo performed excellently, but Brad got over 152hp at the wheels? If he can get traction, he may not be 13secmini much longer!

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My 998 has lighty moded 1275 head, Kent 276 cam with lobe angle increased, 1.5:1 rockers, steel centre main strap, wedged nitrided crank, standard rods, standard 8.3 compression pistons .060", pulsar dizzy still with its standard advance curve supercharger running 13-14psi and makes 102 HP at wheels. I only recomend 13 or 14 due to blower life and have heard if you ran more the coating melts. But if you want to take the risk.

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hey 92!!!

good to see u on here!!!

hey with the crank pulley.....should it sit about 4mm away from the lower engine mount?, juts fitted the pulley to the 1100 and thought it was sitting a bit close??? how close does yours sit?

just wondereing....as to replace a fan belt i will have to remove that mount!!! :cry:

so stoked to get it on though...cant wait!~!! :wink:

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92 wrote:
.... pulsar dizzy still with its standard advance curve ....


Serious???

crap... I thought it wouldnt be "optimal" with that curve setting... but I have seen you tear up the drag strip - no lack of power there.... :shock:

Hmmm, okay, so I was wrong about the Pulsar dizzy. :cry:

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