mini7boy

I really dont understand what you think you are trying to prove, now I have been both a competitor in the supermini races and a offficial at both historic and super minis for the last 30 years and it is not just hordepower that makes Greigs car the fastest historic mini in the fields.

greig is one of those exceptional drivers you come across every blue moon, I have seen him drive his Nb car in with the sport sedan cars and be able to run with and beat cars with much more horsepower and running on 8 and 10 inch slick tyres and also light weight bodies compared to his Nb car. Yes the engines that Greig and GR run are at the top of the tree producing around 160hp, a bit more than the usual customer engine GR sells but they are pushing the very limits and they do have some problems at times but that is what expected when you are trying to compete against 600hp V8s. GRs normal customer motors are prpobably 20-30hp down on these engines but they go around all day every meetimg as a rule

If GR and Greig think there is an advantage in the Yokos i wwould be prepared to concede that they have a greater knowledge on the subject, nothing wrong with the hoosiers but if Greigs running the Yokos there is a good reason and yess he is smooth

GR also has built some killer 8 ports over the years but you have to know what you are doing with them or they are just fancy things to look at with not a lot more power than a well sorted 5 port

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Roundies and Clubbies(except vans) are both ugly that is why I have Midas and a van
1293 Mini Midas Bronze,1275 Clubman van

Hi mini7boy



Here's a photo of our mini at Phillip Island leading the field on the first lap.
Very fast circuit.
Does have tight corners.
Forget about racing with minis, these are the sorts of cars we have to race against.

If you click on our links below, you will find the first was in the wet, very wet!
The second one was in the dry, come damp in places.
Third was a race, the further the race went, the further he went ahead in the race, you cant tell me that horsepower won here, as the bigger cars had up to 15-20mph on him down the straight because it is so long.

Handling plays a massive part in the fast sweeping corners and also in the slower corners.
If you would like to see a video of this, you may like to get in touch with Don at Mini Mania. But you won't see much of any other cars because he out dragged them in the first corner.
Or you can have a look on my website when I put it up.

Now do you really think I would be running radials if the hoosiers were faster?
As we want to try win outright, not class wins.

Graham Russell




Practice in the Wet
http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/resul ... 08.PHIL.P6

Qualifying in the Dry
http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/resul ... 8.PHIL.Q17

Race One
http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/resul ... 08.PHIL.R6

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feralsprint,

when I replied to super-mini, I should have completed my thought. My sentence should have read

"Thanks, Super-Mini, for confirming my suspicions that Greig's GR-engined car is much more powerful than the competition"

I am in no position, given limited data, to suggest that Greig is not an exceptional driver. Nor was I doing so.

If you had read my earlier posting, you would have known that I believe "We all know that speed in roadracing is achieved through some combination of engine, corner exit speed and driver ability." I should have substituted "SOME OF US KNOW" for "We all know" because it's obvious from reading the postings on this thread that some people do not understand this fact.

You really need to read more carefully. I NEVER claimed that it is just horsepower(or torque) that makes Greig and his car the fastest historic driver/Mini in the fields. I NEVER claimed that Greig was not a superior driver. If you had read more carefully, you would know that.

Greig's car/driver speed is due to some combination of: engine, corner exit speed and driver ability. Just as it is incorrect to ascribe his speed to engine power alone, it is equally incorrect to ascribe his speed to Yokos alone.

Greig has loads of experience with Yokos and they obviously haven't kept him from running impressively. However, that fact in no way proves that Yokos are the best tire for racing Minis any more than it proves that his choice of wheels or spark plugs proves them to be the best.

I sure wish you lot would learn to spell, punctuate and use grammar. It sure makes your postings harder to read with all of the mistakes in them.

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"it's always better to be uninformed than ill-informed"

once again, Graham. No offense intended.

forgive me, Graham, but your lovely photo proves nothing. Nothing at all. We all know that in mixed marque racing, the tiny Minis often and usually embarrass bigger, and supposedly faster, cars. Some of the cars I have personally passed: Porsche 912, Triumph GT6, Alfa 2-liter saloon, SAAB 2-liter etc. Does this mean that I am a brilliant driver or that my Mini has more power than those cars? Hell no. It merely means that my combination of engine performance, corner exit speed and driving ability was better than those on the day I passed them.

To answer your question: NO, I do not think you would run Hoosiers if you thought Yokos were faster. But it's also possible that you could win races with either Yokos or Hoosiers, so any win of yours with Yokos, by itself, proves anything.

The simple fact is that in road racing, it's the entire package that goes fast or slow.

We have all wasted enough time and energy on this issue.

You run your Yokos and I will continue to run Hoosiers UNLESS/UNTIL I am convinced, from using Yokos on my own car, that Yokos are faster.

For all we know, your Yokos and Hoosiers are not even the same as ours. A minor difference in construction or compound could make a huge difference in performance. So, it's high time we all stopped arguing about facts over which we have no control.

Just to clear up some things that should have been obvious, but were conveniently overlooked, by some, in the blind emotional responses to what I have said.

a few points are in order.

1) I never have run Yokos of any kind on my car.
2) Accordingly, I have NEVER claimed in this thread that I know that Yokos are inferior to Hoosiers.
3) I only know of other people's experience with Yokos and their choices to run Hoosiers.

What I have said is this:

1) A few people I have spoken with have raced both Yokos and Hoosiers and found Hoosiers to be faster.

2) I have only seen Yoko A032Rs run once, aside from Paterson, and that was in the rain. Aside from Paterson, all of the dry weather racing I have seen is on Hoosiers.

3) Everyone on the West Coast of the U.S.(and most other places) runs Hoosiers OR, when they are very rarely allowed, a very few run Dunlop slicks. I don't consider slicks to be sporting for use in vintage racing, but others feel otherwise. Bully for them and their "wins".

So, you are free to go on about your Yokos, but I am done with this. Now.

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"it's always better to be uninformed than ill-informed"

I beg to differ ...
.. it's a bit sad things started to get a bit heated - but misconception and misunderstanding in this medium are always a problem.

For me this has generally be a very informative and interesting discussion on the pros and cons of the various tyres. There has been some technical input on why what may work for one driver and not another from the tyre differences and driving styles.

Me.. I'm still a rookie and trying to follow the mantra of slower is faster... but the red mist does descend.
I am just aiming at getting that consistency and improving my techniques and skills.
The information presented hear is helpful in thinking about my approach and how I might look to improve my skills and times.

I think we all agree (ducks) that there are so many variables, that no 2 cars are the same - nor 2 drivers - and so there can never be any diffinative answer unless there was a massive difference in the tyres used (eg someone mentioned kumhos )
What I am hearing here is that the tyres are close and individual drivers will find one faster than another...

It was these sort of discussions that originally drew me to AusMini when it had a dedicated racing section.....

Thanks to those that have been posting - it has been most enlightening.

Minimal effort,

this really isn't at all heated and it doesn't have to be as long as people avoid name-calling and other insults that occur all too regularly on other forums. Those who insult others usually do so because they are not able to contribute meaningfully to the discussion at hand.

Differences of opinion, knowledge and experience will occur. This is all good because people at all levels can learn something. The important thing is to avoid letting discussions degenerate into competitions that cause non-contributors to pile-on for the sake of "their team".

The ausmini forum is one of the more civilized Mini forums I have seen. That's amazing, too, when you consider that Australia started off as a prison colony. Hahaha. Just testing to see if those Down under are awake.

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"it's always better to be uninformed than ill-informed"

Being of convict stock used to be hidden by descendants, nowadays though, it's a badge of honour.

Noooo I'm not one, my lot paid to get transported here, in 1852.

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Doc,

That's what they all say. Do you have it in writing?

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mini7boy

Before you star complaining about spellimg and gramar you might like to give yourself a uppercut for being a member of a race that totally bastardises the english language

Besides I have a great excuse, I am blind and legally so and the attack on spelling and gramar is always the last resort of some who is wrong and can't admit it so reorts to bullshit

I have read yopur posts and just as you said you are just having fun by having a go at GR I am just doing the same to you

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Roundies and Clubbies(except vans) are both ugly that is why I have Midas and a van
1293 Mini Midas Bronze,1275 Clubman van

I have the family tree plotted way back to 1751, including the name of the cruise ship in 1852...

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DrMini- 1970 wasaMatic 1360, Mk1S crank, 86.6HP (ATW) =~125 @ crank, 45 Dellorto (38 chokes), RE282 sprint cam, 1.5 rockers, 11.0:1 C/R.

You're at least the third or fourth person who claimed to be blind or dyslexic as an excuse for poor spelling, grammar, punctuation. I didn't believe it then and don't believe it now. Your claim is nonsense because most of the posters on this forum have the same problem and they ain't ALL blind.

Besides, genius, you claimed in your previous posting to have been "both a competitor in the supermini races and a offficial at both historic and super minis for the last 30 years ". Pretty difficult to do if one is blind.

I wasn't "having a go" at Graham, but I just made a small joke or two in a couple of instances. I was having a serious discussion with Graham.

As far as your claim of us "bastardizing" the English language, just what do you base this on? Misinformed opinion? Probably. While you're on about displaying your ignorance, we are not a race separate from you. We're Caucasian just as you(presumably) are. Most people in Oz are Caucasian, so I assumed that you are. In any event, must of us here are Caucasian.

I don't need a last resort, either. I'm just tired of the illiteracy that is the norm on this and other forums.

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"it's always better to be uninformed than ill-informed"

Can i ask that if you have never tried the Yoko's how you can have an opinion that the hoosiers are better?

Likewise, isn't claiming that Hoosiers are better the same as saying Yoko's are inferior?

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Starlet Conversion:
http://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15484

Wow! An American that is rude and abrupt. Now that is a shock.

So you don't believe that my mate feralsprint is legally blind? Maybe you should look back at his posts and you will see the way that his posting has declined and his mis-typing has increased as his eyesight has diminished in the past couple of years. Maybe you would find the threads where he is selling his cars due to his loss of eyesight.

Go back and re-read what I wrote in my previous posting. You obviously didn't get it the first time.

I have never driven with slicks on a Mini, but I believe that they are better from all I have observed when others ran them. Is that OK with you?

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"it's always better to be uninformed than ill-informed"

Here we go. After I said I was done, all of the non-contributors jump in.

This time I mean it. I'm not responding to any further postings, regardless of how annoying they are.

So, go ahead. All of you non-contributors can take your shots. I won't be reading them or replying to them.

Have fun.

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