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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:35 pm 
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for those that have never heard of one, a gunsons colortune is a device that replaces one of the spark plugs in your motor, it has a glass window that you can see through, actually seeing the colour of the air-fuel mixture as it burns.....

I've read about these in Vizard for years, but always been a bit of a sceptic - how can a spark plug that's not a real spark plug work the same as the plugs we buy specifically for our cars. I found the best results with a champion N11YC, but another motor might go better on an N9YC - I know why now - the different plugs only really make a difference when the engine is under load - so the colortune does work for tuning when the car is in the workshop....

anyhow, a few weeks ago I was sorting the mixture on my mate Ivan's exhaust analyser computer, I got it to a nice mixture and the car runs great, but while I was doing it, Ivan came over and said "hey Simon, why don't you try doing this at home, with this" and pulled out a colortune, in it's original packaging - I laughed myself silly, I'd only ever read about them in Vizard, and that's not exactly a recent publication... it still has a UK price tag on it... him or his dad bought it in england on a trip back there - he keeps it in the engine analyser trolley, with the original BMC mirror on a bracket for setting the timing, and the ancient suction dealie for balancing twins.... great stuff, anyway, I digress...

I took the colortune and it's been sitting on my shelf for a couple of weeks, the cooper hasn't been behaving, and I've been busy, but this afternoon I gave it a go

check this out!

the packet:
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here's what the 'plug' looks like, it has an electrode deep inside it, you can see my finger through the glass bit
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installed and ready to start the motor - the long skinny thing is a screw in extension you need to use
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and at idle... the perfect mixture is this colour blue, you can see the actual spark in this photo
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Under sudden acceleration, the pump jet action of an SU carb (as the piston jumps up it draws fuel out) causes the mixture to go slightly rich, which turns the burn to a bright yellow, if the burn is a light blue to white, then it's lean. If I ran the revs up slowly, the colour stayed blue, and got a little whiter at high revs, so I richened the mixture a tiny bit, but it was very close to where I wanted it to be

and here's a short 4mb video - you'll notice as I give sudden revs the colour changes, then when I drop the revs the colour goes back to blue, after almost dying away

http://members.iinet.net.au/~kerrsim/minipics/colortune.mpg (right click, save as)

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:42 pm 
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ahh! finally see one in use. i would imagine that would very extremely handy and accurate

thanks (simon?)

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ahh! finally see one in use. i would imagine that would very extremely handy and accurate

thanks (simon?)


I was the same - never seen one in the flesh or in use, the analyser computer is better, but this would be great to have ready to use. I'll use it on my dad's motor when I get it in the car

always a pleasure (duc ?)

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Hmmmm, very interesting, Ive always read about these as well. The only thing is, this may only be a good tool for adjusting the mixture at idle, as things may change when the engine is actually under load?

If it was setup on a dyno it would be interesting to see how it behaved? I think u can still buy these tho ay!

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I have always wanted to try one but have never had the chance (or the money) I think I will get one eventually! It would be great for twins.
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Hanra wrote:
Hmmmm, very interesting, Ive always read about these as well. The only thing is, this may only be a good tool for adjusting the mixture at idle, as things may change when the engine is actually under load?

If it was setup on a dyno it would be interesting to see how it behaved? I think u can still buy these tho ay!
You could always jack the car up and run it in gear and apply the load with brakes. 8)

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Stick the video camera under the bonnet and take it for a run up the road! :D


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Hmmmm, very interesting, Ive always read about these as well. The only thing is, this may only be a good tool for adjusting the mixture at idle, as things may change when the engine is actually under load?

If it was setup on a dyno it would be interesting to see how it behaved? I think u can still buy these tho ay!
You could always jack the car up and run it in gear and apply the load with brakes. 8)

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Stick the video camera under the bonnet and take it for a run up the road! :D


the instructions say not to do that... it'd probably melt the electrode. Plus it doesn't have the heat range... even though I know you're kidding, someone would probably suggest a nice little CCD camera :lol:

great for twins and for the siamese ports in general, as you can move it from one cylinder to the other - can get each carb the same, and then can get a balance across the inner and outer cylinders, as they get a slightly different mixture - that's something a gas analyser can't do

I don't think things do really change under load Hanra - must check with Vizard. I know that sustained high revs used to starve my motor of fuel. Keeping the revs high for a while it'd start off with an OK mixture, then it would gradually get leaner and leaner, keeping that up for a long time would do big damage. It was the same on the road as it was in the workshop on the analyser. I swapped those needles out a while ago

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Is yours the 14mm type?

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Hanra wrote:
Is yours the 14mm type?


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Cool cause ive just placed an order for the colortune and a carbalancer from Auto Expert Products http://www.aep.bigstep.com/category.htm ... WPERWRJPX0
So ill give it a shot n see how i go! Was like $115 or something with postage, but that would be US id say!!!!

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As Morris 1100 said about sticking it up on jacks, running it and using the brakes is what I've done. Vizard himself wrote the article I used on how to do it. Still got the article on the HD somewhere. Try Googling, that's how I found it.

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Location: Under the bonnet son!
They're all over EBAY for about 55 dollars or less at Auction.

Should be a world wide shortage now I guess as mysteriously all stocks were bought up by Mini fans all over Australia....

.....and news just in Gunson stocks rise on the NASDAQ to record levels..... :)

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Here's a tip, i bought 2 coloutunes form minispares or mini sport, i can't remember, it cost me $100 for both.... sold one on ebay with a starting bid of $10 to a guy in qld for $100..... So mine cost me my ebay fees :wink: this was about 6 months ago. :lol:

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skssgn wrote:
for those that have never heard of one, a gunsons


Very interesting Simon (??) and great photos (the Oscar for best short Documentary goes to....).

Normans device is obviously a useful tool to have in your...ergh...toolbox (CPOCSM..(Rob??) swears by his...Cheers 9YaTaH (Mick??)

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Where can you buy them locally? and how much? I had one 40 years ago and thought it was great then but in time and me not looking after it it eventaully got smashed.

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