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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 10:42 pm 
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Anyone know what a Russell eng 5"weber manifold worth before I bother him with a phone call??

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:54 am 
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I think and it's a guess, I paid like $250-$300

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:51 am 
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Have you considered a MANIFLOW manifold???

http://www.minispares.com/search/classi ... 5DCOE.aspx

Arguably the Best single DCOE manifold available.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:14 am 
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sitnlo62 wrote:
Have you considered a MANIFLOW manifold???

http://www.minispares.com/search/classi ... 5DCOE.aspx

Arguably the Best single DCOE manifold available.


http://www.minimania.com/Project_Small_ ... inder_Head

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146 cfm through the head alone
144 cfm (2 cfm or 1% drop) with the RE
131 cfm (15 cfm or 10% drop) with the 6" Warneford/Redline
130 cfm (16cfm or 11% drop) with the Maniflow
113 cfm (33 cfm or 23% drop) with the 5" Warneford/Redline


11% drop in airflow for the Maniflow VS GR's 1% drop attached to head.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:24 am 
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Tested by who? :roll:
I would choose a steel inlet manifold over a alloy one anyday.

I see nothing has changed here.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:39 am 
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Suit yourself. I suppose you've done your own testing to be able to make the above claim with confidence? Please post your maniflow independent testing figures and I will be happy to agree with you.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:33 pm 
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CFM relates to air flow, not HP. Just because someone has a high CFM head, doesn't mean it produces results. You should be careful of how you interpret these figures. I agree the Maniflow inlet is a very nice off the shelf bit of kit, and probably my first choice. Like anything it WILL have to be matched to your head, so you should expect to do some work yourself if you are seeking the optimum results for your money.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:13 pm 
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Not wanting to get into any war or arguments, but just adding some info and a question. I have both, and both do the job admirably, i haven't HPed them or flowed them but they both certainly provide enough air for my reasonably modded Weber 45, which again i would suppose flow more than just one off the shelf, so as lownblown says, match the parts for best impact.

Now the quality of air from the manifolds is an interesting one, with the steel maniflow one being relatively smooth inside and the cast Russell Engineering one purposefully left with cast roughness. I have heard some mini people say the mini prefers a rough atomisation... not too fine, and so I had actually thought about putting something down the steel one to give it a little contour... ( just to roughen it up).... but haven't , as i don't want to butcher a perfectly good manifold that obviously works well.

The question , i ask is as to temp change and condensation. The maniflow one can have such a cool charge that in our humid qld air, condensation forms on the outside.... i have not seen this on the cast one, but I have owned it for less time ( and my first guess is it would be less susceptible to this phenomenon). Would the cooler outside cause potential for a boundary layer inside the manifold and therefore contribute to fuel dropping out of the mixture..........

I know there are other variables, like the speed through the venturi, venturi size etc, but just trying to get a 'fluid dynamics ' type response. Cheers
Darryl


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 6:10 pm 
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FNQ wrote:
Not wanting to get into any war or arguments, but just adding some info and a question. I have both, and both do the job admirably, i haven't HPed them or flowed them but they both certainly provide enough air for my reasonably modded Weber 45, which again i would suppose flow more than just one off the shelf, so as lownblown says, match the parts for best impact.

Now the quality of air from the manifolds is an interesting one, with the steel maniflow one being relatively smooth inside and the cast Russell Engineering one purposefully left with cast roughness. I have heard some mini people say the mini prefers a rough atomisation... not too fine, and so I had actually thought about putting something down the steel one to give it a little contour... ( just to roughen it up).... but haven't , as i don't want to butcher a perfectly good manifold that obviously works well.

The question , i ask is as to temp change and condensation. The maniflow one can have such a cool charge that in our humid qld air, condensation forms on the outside.... i have not seen this on the cast one, but I have owned it for less time ( and my first guess is it would be less susceptible to this phenomenon). Would the cooler outside cause potential for a boundary layer inside the manifold and therefore contribute to fuel dropping out of the mixture..........

I know there are other variables, like the speed through the venturi, venturi size etc, but just trying to get a 'fluid dynamics ' type response. Cheers
Darryl



I always thought the atomisation was more in relation to the jetting differences in carbies than the turbulence caused by the surface of the manifold inlet? For example some say dellorto's provide better atomisation for a mini than a Weber?


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