the 4EFTE should be ok then? that just means you can't put a 1.6L Turbo in anymore?

Based on 660kg x 2.5 = 1650cc Minus 20% = 1320cc ...10cc short?

Doesn't sound like it though..20% weight difference, 20% power increase?

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Starlet Conversion:
http://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15484

forget about the hypertheticals of what you dream about the a series making as far as horse power
if your lx ls what ever clubman had a 998cc 22hp engine in stock form that had a engine weight of 100kg you will be alled to go to an engine that is 20% heavier 20% more power
nothing is set in concrete yet that is just a proposal that has been put forward that not every engineere will agree on
there is no need to panic even if it is enforcerd you just need to find the round things in the rules
there called loop holes

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mrenforcer.com.au

thanks for the explanation matt.

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1974 Moke - 998cc
76 Clubman B16a2 Vtec AWD Turbo 12.9@105mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9PW49e1hYs

They would have to Dyno your car to figure out what HP your motor is making. Do we think this is going to happen?

Dan

dan they would just go of factory specs.

say a 1972 mini came out with a 1100cc 50hp motor, that is what they will base the 20% power increase on.

So if you wanted to put a 4efte in with a factory output of 135hp there is no way they will let it pass.

You will need to find a factory motor with 60hp for a conversion, maybe a kei car motor like the 700cc turbo suzuki, daihastu, mitsubishi etc and work the tits of it to get something worthwhile doing.

I know the F6A suzuki is factory 61hp turbo efi and can make 130-150hp pretty easy.

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1974 Moke - 998cc
76 Clubman B16a2 Vtec AWD Turbo 12.9@105mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9PW49e1hYs

I wonder how much power a 1932 Ford (read as Hot Rod) came out with.......?

The "20% increase in power" doesn't appear to be at all well thought out if it is indeed correct.

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But he's thriving and striving and hugging the turns.

There is a whole different set of rule for hot rods
- there is a national code of practice for them (but must be based on a pre '49 car)

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Too many cars, and too little time.

Oh hello mini mat how are you today...... enjoy our Forum....fixed the boost problem....... cut noid wire.......... how silly we never tested for it......? did you see joe's 6.88 pass..........?

hey borgy hows things
seen the 6.88 totaly crazy
bloody wires
seen alex 8.50 pass
could smell pistons being eaten
need to add some more sensors to get better feed back to your logger
4x egts would have been good
but thats racing

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mrenforcer.com.au

hey all

so if these regs came in would the 1.6 NA (160hp) honda vtecs be allowed

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Vtec Mini clubman. Commenced Jan 06.
Still Going June 07

http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c71/sunburstvl/

Well i think the b16a would have more then 20% more power then a stock 1098cc A series, so no it would not be allowed. Hurry up and get it engineered

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1974 Moke - 998cc
76 Clubman B16a2 Vtec AWD Turbo 12.9@105mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9PW49e1hYs

so what engines does this leave us with for our convertions?would we be better off turbo and nos on a Mini motor to get the 20% hp ?

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I've had a good look over the draft rules because I have a vehicle that I bought with the specific intent of taking advantage of the '6 cylinder weight/capacity multiplier' under the existing rules in NSW. Unfortunately, I'm studying full time so it doesn't look like I will get that swap done in time unless I hand it over to a pro.

That brings me to a question. Does anyone know if engineers can give 'staged approvals' a bit like you get when doing a real estate development? I'll be more specific. Under the current rules I get a 4 x 1020kg multiplier for a forced induction engine in my 240z. I'm hoping that maybe I can get the diff, gearbox and brakes done to suitable standard to suit a 1uzfe (4 litre lexus v8) with mild 'charging... and get it approved for that... while giving me some breathing space before doing the actually forced induction install. I should probably talk to an engineer... again. Matt, chime in if you want to do a 240z with 1uzfe.

Back on topic... the 20% greater weight and/or power rule in the new draft code only applies to one specific category of approval - LA1 'Equivalent Engine Installation'. There will be another category - LA2 'Performance Engine Installation' which will apply where there is a greater than 20% increase or if other major mods were needed.

There are new 'recommended maximum capacity' multipliers that would apply for LA2 approvals which are found, strangely, under Table LA1. The multipliers for vehicles originally weighing under 800kg will be x 3 naturally aspirated and x 2.5 for forced induction.

So it looks like the '20%' approvals will require less hassle, a bit like the current 15% rule. Hopefully this helps a bit but keep in mind, what I've relayed to you is still info from a DRAFT code. It's available on the dotars.gov.au website.

The draft has actually been out since last year and was supposed to go into force Jan 1 this year, it didn't because all states are not on board.

There are some changes in several areas like being able to fit brakes from a Cooper S without having to have the car engineered and the engine change without having to have engineers as long as it does not exceed the limits of weight and HP, no where does it say you cannot fit a lrger engine like you have been doing, who ever is claiming you cannot has not read the draft fully as the rules are there for all to see and are the same rules as the last 6 years.

Jon

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Roundies and Clubbies(except vans) are both ugly that is why I have Midas and a van
1293 Mini Midas Bronze,1275 Clubman van

i agree i spoke to an engineer and he said the conversion will be fine same rules