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Make sure you have some toe-in on the rear wheels. If the rear end is feeling loose or wants to break away I'd be rechecking that.

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new quality goodride tyres - 170/75/r13.


Have you scuffed off the new skin on the tyres yet :?:

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Make sure you have some toe-in on the rear wheels. If the rear end is feeling loose or wants to break away I'd be rechecking that.


should you have toe in on the rear, left of mine seems nuetral and the right seems 1 or 2 degress. im guessing its the closest to 4 wheel steer :?

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Make sure you have some toe-in on the rear wheels. If the rear end is feeling loose or wants to break away I'd be rechecking that.


should you have toe in on the rear, left of mine seems nuetral and the right seems 1 or 2 degress. im guessing its the closest to 4 wheel steer :?

Not only should you have toe-IN on the rear, both sides need to be equal or you will experience the common Mini trait of `crabbing'. :lol:
ie da Moke/Mini goes down da road sideways... :shock:

Buztoy, usually it's symptomatic of clobbering a kerb with the LH wheel on a roundabout sometime past. The cures range from removing shims behind outer trailing arm brackets, to replacing suspension parts, or arm bracket surgery. 8)

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:36 pm 
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In preperation for the Moke becoming legal I have adjusting my driving style. I am having a few issues undertsanding the dynamics of this thing.

1. Wagging tail - the tail hangs out all over the place. Strange it cant be power on oversteer - obviously. Sideways through roundabouts is possible without really trying. Any reason

2. bump steer - the suspension bsuhes, shocks and cones are all new or newish - cant see why this happening

3, Tramlining - Its not overtyred so again that has me guessing

I didnt have the same in Bens Moke - it behaved as expected.Mine handles very differently.


Spiro does this - we sit so far forward that you can control a slide by lifting off and applying power :)

It tramlines as well - because of the 13x7's and factory rear shocks.

I like it :lol:

Is there any weight over the rear? - I know a moke with a rear seat is alot more stable than one without.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:43 pm 
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Mini Mad wrote:

Spiro does this - we sit so far forward that you can control a slide by lifting off and applying power :)

It tramlines as well - because of the 13x7's and factory rear shocks.

I like it :lol:

Is there any weight over the rear? - I know a moke with a rear seat is alot more stable than one without.


the rear seats would add stuff all weight - so I suppose the rear is very light.

I actually like the handling - apart from the tramlining - very rallycross - sort of like a Pug 205gti but with half the engine missing. I just want to understand what is happening so I can capitalise on the way it goes through corners.

Yep the power modulation is exactly what I am experiencing for drift control - cool - time to find some dirt roads


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Spiro's tramlining would be from the wheel offset for sure. My RX7 trams when I put the 'fats' on, stock wheels are fine.

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dude all those is from one simple thing, no weight in the moke there is hardly any weight in the rear so it makes it very unstable on the road e.g bouncing around alot, tail wags around and u have oversteer, before going to do the alignment i would put some cement bags in the back and go for a drive and see if it makes a difference.

also tram lining is affected but the road, tyre fitters and wheel aligners call it traming because a tyre or tyres and gotten into a grove in the road and is following the grooves in the road like a train on rails,

put some wieght in the back of ur moke and see how its handles if its still the same u may have ur caster for the oversteering

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tinymorris1969 wrote:
also tram lining is affected but the road, tyre fitters and wheel aligners call it traming because a tyre or tyres and gotten into a grove in the road and is following the grooves in the road like a train on rails,


Really :roll:

I actually want to keep it the way it is - I just want to understand some of the reasons behind it.

As MrsBIAM says there is nothing like a little sideways action


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lol thats ur reason there grooved roads and no weight in the rear..

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Very clearly - you only have two choices here
you can either accept the wisdom of MrsBiam or the wisdom of Tiny.


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Very clearly - you only have two choices here
you can either accept the wisdom of MrsBiam or the wisdom of Tiny.


I want to say so many things here from so many different angles :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: but as I was reminded by chow recently I have to lead by example .

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sports850 wrote:
Mike_Byron wrote:
Very clearly - you only have two choices here
you can either accept the wisdom of MrsBiam or the wisdom of Tiny.


I want to say so many things here from so many different angles :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: but as I was reminded by chow recently I have to lead by example .


your a mod not a tamborene player for the salvation army - let rip - leading by example is to say all the stuff you want without braking the rules.


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OK did the cement bag test - only sight difference -

The tramlining disappeared by upping the tyre pressure to 35psi from 30psi.

The oversteer is great and can be induced by a quick left right flick - just great. I actually dont think its a rear wheel weight issue - I think its a feature. If your quick on the tiller you can corner very well in deed.

Bump steer also disappeared with the increased tyre pressure - so obviously the compliance in the tyre was causing the issue.


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My guess it's a lot of the problem can be attributed to the goodride tyres, who knows what has gone into the construction of the carcass of the tyre. Last year Wheels did a tyre test and included a 17" made in china tyre, and they best described them as "scary".

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