Bathurst in the 60's was an organised event too

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i stand corrected LOL what i meant was in the sense of a fun run/club event..

Steve,

Great that you are facilitating mutual co-operation between MCC and Ausmini. From what I gather from the MCC side of things, they are not so much against having the runs being an MCC calendar event, it's more that under their rules it has to be published in the magazine calendar at least (with the website optional). That rule's out last minute organisation as you need to have the date and details nailed down and approved by the committee at least two month's out.

I would'nt go down the track of Ausmini joining the CMC, I don't think it is worth it when you may be able to use the infrastructure of the the MCC club plate scheme to allow HRS cars belonging to MCC members to attend. If there are Ausmini members who want HRS, they could always join MCC (or another CMC affiliated club) if their car meets the requirements of HRS (my guess is most probably won't, or they would prefer to not have the restrictions HRS entails (for all it's benefits not withstanding).

One suggestion would be to pre-set a calendar of drives say every two to three months which could involve MCC/HRS cars. MCC could publish the dates in the calendar but leave the final organisation and details to Ausmini members?

The second point is that under the RTA/CMC there is some flexibility as to how the car club governs itself with respect to HRS. for example, I have three cars on HRS including a Mini clubman with another club. I was intending to go on Sunday but backed out at the last minute. Had I gone, I would only have had to ring my club registrar beforehand and get his authority to go on the drive and I would have been legal under that club's rules. If it's in the calendar, I don't need to ring. As I have crossed-joined each car with both clubs with the RTA, I can take any car to either club's meetings or events. If I rang every second day and abused the system, I'm sure the rules would tighten, but at the moment everyone seems to be obeying and therefore they are reasonable about it's application.

Sorry, I too can be long-winded but hopefully helpful!

Kevin B.

My wife and I have been thinking about taking our Mini down to Berima Jam Shop to buy jam (like der) and have a great day out as well. There are nice pubs and coffee shops there.

Well since the Ford GT club (or whatever club they are that drives big Fords and meet eachother there) use Berima as a meeting place on a very regular basis (like practically everytime I am down in Berima on a weekend I see Fords!), I then thought, gee I wonder if any of you guys want to come along and we can make it a bit of a mini parade down there and show those Ford muscle cars abit of Mini pride We could do abit of research and find out what days they are there and we can all go down and admire eachothers' cars (big and small).

If that was on, I'd be in for that!

[EDIT] Sorry for the thread hijack

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Steve if you are up for it, why dont you host a BBQ at your place, and we can have an 8km radius cruise around your place... then we can all enjoy ourselves...

In all seriousness, the Sydney to Gong cruise was the first cruise I have been on and it was great. I understand the whole "club plate" rules and regulations, and as much as it is limited, it should really be up to the club to get out there and organise events..!! It doesnt cost anything (or does it) and would just start as an idea surely. Get some non-club people to come along (by possibly putting up an invite on AUSMINI) and then use that as a springboard to get more people to join the club. After speaking to you on the weekend, I was interested in hearing what you had to say about the club, but in the end, until someone can persuade me what the benefits are of joing the club, I will remain hesitant about joining up. I dont want to be part of a club that discusses politics, what makes a genuine Mini or not, who said what or bought what or sold what and for how much and never get out there ENJOYING themselves. I went to one of the meetings and in the car park there was just one Mini.... ONE..!!! There were more Minis around the corner from me on the weekend in a casual "show me yours and I will show you mine" meet up..!! I want to hear about a club that goes on more cruises, has helpful advice and shows genuine support for anyone and everyone that has a Mini of any age and shape and form....

**ching ching** thats my two cents worth...

Oh and 68Deluxe... Berima sounds great.. set a date, meeting place and time and post it up on the cruise section..!

mickmini
Speaking of the drags (no, racing ) MCCNSW does not have an affiliation with ANDRA, so there may be an opportunity for a club that specialises in Mini drag racing

MCCNSW is CAMS affiliated.....ANDRA is a body under the CAMS umbrella....ain't there an affiliation by association?????

danidad
hmmmm think less enjoy more good plan... so you got keys? you got petrol?? whats to think about just drive.. life would be great if it was that simple. its the sueing laws that kill all the fun sueing= liability=insurance= beaurocrats (and bad spelling)= red tape and bull faeces..

So join the MDC or start a chapter on the Cold Toast.....why do you have this angst against Clubs????

To organise a group of like minded individuals (eg Mini people) you need some form of rules and regs....even the MDC must have some of that stuff....to operate a club, you need office bearers and insurance if you are going to take your cars out of their garages.....thats the rules...

if you were to drive on these historic plates in a bunch of minis would any cops even question if the run was officially recognised by a certain type of club?? for all intent and purpose it would look like a club run. how often do you see 16 minis in a row that isnt an organised run (except bathhurst in the 60"s)

How often?? more than you think! the QLD Mini clubs have massive Mini runs where a lot more than 16 Mins attend (not to mention FJ holdens on one particular run!!).

Be very, very careful about suggesting or implying any abuse of the Concessional Registration Scheme....it would only take the actions of a few to cruel it for the many.

For instance, we have had a few instances of Taxi Drivers reporting Concessionally Registered vehicles doing this or parked at that etc.

RTA/Police (or QLD equivalent) can at any time pull you over and ask to see your log book and ask what you are about....it happens!!!

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If you are referring to my comments, then that's not what I was suggesting. Everything I stated is within my club's rules of usage and were suggested by our club registrar. He was the one who advised us to cross-register for example.

In fact what I said was that as long as no one DOES abuse the system, he has a more flexible attitude than some other clubs including MCC. We are are small club with <20 cars on CRS (I have three and others have multiple cars so the actual number is probably about 12 people or so). We are all happy with how the scheme runs in our club, and I am confident because of that, no one is deliberately trying to rort the system just for cheap rego or the like.

I agree, I don't won;t to see it messed up either.

As far as i knew ANDRA was a separate entity. happy to sit corrected.

Yeah we don't abuse the conditional registration scheme because it is easier to lose than setup. The old club plate scheme was scrapped a couple of years ago because an RTA director saw someone using their clubplate registered car to drop people off at the airport . They did not punish the driver, nor the club, they wanted to take it away from EVERYONE. The result was that the CMC negotiated the new conditional rego scheme, which is why all the plates are different now, and every car that was on the old scheme had to change over. A holden club was recently banned, and every member lost their conditional rego because 1 individual brought a early 60s holden to a show that was too radically modified for some observers who reported it to the RTA.

michael

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"too radically modified for some observers who reported it to the RTA"

Well, that rules out 99% of the MDC straight away !!

Cheers all
J

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THanks Kazjim, the thread has now dome the full 360 that I knew it would.

So it seems in the end people DO care what hose clamps it has. Unfortunatly its the people who have no interest in our cars who ruin it for everyone.

I would like to see it happen so everyone can come on our runs but to me the whole thing with MDC was that we do not have to put up with the same rubbish real clubs do and as you can see from last weekend the concept is working.

sorry Oz you are twisting the topic yourself. the point Steve wanted to make was that those who do have conditionally registered cars through other clubs might want to join you because they DO like your cars and YOU and want to be there with theirs

kazjim asked how hard it was to get a club into the scheme through the CMC. We pointed out that it is not worth that effort as there are many clubs that already offer it.

The RTA is the driver behind the limitations of modifications not the clubs. That is why they set up a conditional registration scheme for hot rods. i.e pre 1940 bodies with major modifications. If the street machine fraternity wanted to have a conditional registration scheme for majorly modified modern cars like 13sec for example, then they would go through the drama of campaigning with the RTA etc. The club that got banned was as a result of the RTA inspecting the car after it was reported to them.

Most ausmini or MDC don't want the conditional registration because it is CONDITIONAL. If you want to drive the car every day, you get it normally registerd.simple

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Yea, but if it wasnt for the beuracratic Bullshoot, the club registration scheme would be perfect for people like yourself, who DONT want to drive their cars every day, but still want to be "part of the fun" WITHOUT having to count the layers of paint or number of fins on their factory-fitted oil coolers, or making sure the radiator coolant is just the right shade of green .....

Its the reason i left the formal car-club scene and started into social ones.....

Would the CMC accept a submission for a "Radically Modified but still street-legal" mini car club ?

WOuld the MCC even consider cars like Brads Toyota powered, or My Turbo ?

J

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No they definitely would not accept Brads car for conditional registration, because it is not a period modification, plus its not 30yrs old is it? not sure what year his is.

Yours could get by if it was available as a period modification. i.e. was turbocharging a 998cc available in th 60s. if it were injected with a computer no way.

but they are not as harsh as checking hose clips that was just makka having a whinge about some in the whole concourse scene.
there are a couple of cars with rollcages. there are a couple with 12" or even 13" wheels. Engine size is not a major issue, so long as it were an A series, discs are not an issue because it is safety, but they would probably not let honda conversions in, because not period modification. Paint colour is not an issue, as long as it was a period colour.

One of the BIG reasons i got the conditional rego was to convince the wife that we could afford the car in the first place. noway i could have got it is there was the prospect of paying full rego and insurance every year.

CMC is unlikely to go for major mods clubs, simply because that is outside the agreement they have with the RTA. The RTA still hold all the power in this, just like normal rego. They just subcontract out the administration to the CMC and the clubs.

For your modified cars they farm out the safety aspect to engineers that they licence. For third party insurance they give it to greenslip insurers. annual inspections to the local mechanic.

all about perspective i reckon.

my brother and i are considering putting a 1uz V8 into a mustang shape celica. I would never expect any club to give me conditional registration with a swap like that. i wanna put the v8 into a SW22 MR2 but he thinks it wont fit.....

michael

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In a word kasjim, no. Those cars do not come close to adhereing to the rules laid down by the RTA. a turbo starlet powered mini, is modified beyond the point of being original. the reason, you could not get a starlet motor 30 years ago. my van is about to go onto club plates shortly, it shouldn't have a problem and am also talking to them about fitting a/c to it and having it on club plates. the reason that shouldn't be a problem, is because we have proof that it was an accessory you can get 30 years ago. You can do almost anything to a mini and have it on club plates, you just have to prove that these modifications were available 30 years ago. so things that won't get on, are forced induction unless you can prove they were available and were fitted to mini's 30 years ago. Perl and mettalic paints (again unless you can prove it) The scheme was set up for historic vehicles, by the RTA and the club have to follow those rules as they see fit. Hose clamps are not something that the MCCNSW checks, just in case you were wondering....

Cheers

Aaron

mines a 1972 so is old enough. I am able to get it on historic insurance as long as i dont drive it more then 8000km a year, ive almost done that in 3 months

Why bother with getting it on club plates anyway?? how much do you really save a year? I pay under $400 a year rego for mine and can drive it everyday of the year. I like social clubs better, only thing is we cant hold real race track days, easy fix, just tag along when the nsw mini club hold one

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