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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:50 pm 
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I would also agree with replacing Bolts to Studs..plus your not sure how many times they have already been torqued down before and could break (and this can be a rite pain in the arse) Trust me


The bolts actually have more thread, and protrude into the block further sometimes good if your block has been striped. pros and cons for each.
I can see the advantage of having a fragile bolt that goes deeper into the block.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:14 pm 
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Morris 1100 wrote:
clubmn wrote:
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I would also agree with replacing Bolts to Studs..plus your not sure how many times they have already been torqued down before and could break (and this can be a rite pain in the arse) Trust me


The bolts actually have more thread, and protrude into the block further sometimes good if your block has been striped. pros and cons for each.
I can see the advantage of having a fragile bolt that goes deeper into the block.

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gafmo wrote:
Morris 1100 wrote:
clubmn wrote:
gafmo wrote:
I would also agree with replacing Bolts to Studs..plus your not sure how many times they have already been torqued down before and could break (and this can be a rite pain in the arse) Trust me


The bolts actually have more thread, and protrude into the block further sometimes good if your block has been striped. pros and cons for each.
I can see the advantage of having a fragile bolt that goes deeper into the block.

I Can't


lol, that's the idea :)


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so if 'one' was to convert from bolt to STUD where would 'one' acquire said studs from? and wat is the difference in torque settings or is it the same?

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so if 'one' was to convert from bolt to STUD where would 'one' acquire said studs from? and wat is the difference in torque settings or is it the same?

Matt
You would get the studs from a Mini parts supplier like Karcraft or Mini King as well as the nuts to go with them.
Follow the torque settings in the book or with the gasket kit. I don't think that there was any difference in the setting between the studs or bolts (but there should have been!)


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My 2c...

I have never blown a head gasket on the turbo engine and I'm basically using the stock gasket mentioned by others (the Payen one). Copper ones always seem to leak oil for me and they need retorquing several times after fitment - not good...

Replace the bolts with studs. I have had many bolts break during assembly (on other peoples engines - I only use studs) and they do not clamp the head properly IMHO.

Finally, after the first warm up/down - retorque the head and check/adjust the tappet clearance. I always do this and have never needed to retorque down the track.

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Were you touching your woody when you typed that Doz??? :-)

but i agree with what you have just said, so don`t blame me if you have just hexed yourself :-)

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mattsmadmini wrote:
and wat is the difference in torque settings or is it the same?
Matt

Depends which workshop manual you read.
The Leyland Black book makes no mention of head bolts, (typical Leyland Oz attention to detail.. NOT, we made heaps of 1098s with bolts). It says 40lb/ft, but 42lb/ft for Cooper S studs.
My Gregorys 02 manual says-
UK engines only- (which all had studs and nuts)-
40lb/ft, except 1275 engines 50lb/ft.
Australian engines-
45 lb/ft (nuts) or 50lb/ft (bolts).

The theory here is a coarse thread (as the bolts are) requires more torque to develop the same axial force. Pity the bolts break in the process as the bolt's thread pitch deforms at top of block. :lol:

Stick to studs, they are much stronger. If you want better still, buy an ARP competition stud set. :wink:

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lol yeh i was lookin at getting some APR's did not know they had a competion range?

so basically wat your saying is that anywhere between 40-45lbs should be sufficient?

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Yep, 45 lb/ft is no problem with standard studs and nuts. Oil the threads and under the heads.
Speaking of nuts, the late 998 flanged ones are best, no need for washers.
If using the early hex nuts, put a proper thick head washer under them, do not use flat washers from Bunnings etc- they are soft rubbish now.
You can buy a competition head washer kit C-AHT288 for $15 from Karcraft etc.

ARP studs are designed for competition (name means American Racing Products). :wink:

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drmini in aust wrote:
You can buy a competition head washer kit C-AHT288 for $15 from Karcraft etc.

ARP studs are designed for competition (name means American Racing Products). :wink:


oh.... thats what it stands for..... cheers doc!

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I was always under the impression that ARP stood for Automotive Racing Products :?

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