I have a set of Clippan 4 point harnesses. They have a standard seat belt style clip at the front. The packaging clearly stated that these belts are ADR compliant.

They come in 2 types, 4 mount points aor three with the rear either two or one.

I expect they would be legal if:
(1) all the mounting points are either original or engineered to be the correct type and position. In qld this can be by a blue plate.
(2) they are fitted to a 2 seater that is of correct age to not need retractors.

I have them in my MX-5 for track day use only so I haven't bothered with getting them approved. I still use the stock belts on the road.

M

This is our clubbie and as you can see it has 4 point harness fitted, it has been engineered and complied as a 83 model vehicle in NSW and we have never had a problem with rego or the police about them

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While were talking about cages, is a half cage the best that can be put in to be road drivable?
Can a full cage go in? I take it side impact bars a definite no no?

I am pretty sure you cant put a full cage in... And whilst on the subject on cages, just so you know josh they are very expensive. Probably just because they can...

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When my race car was still a road car I had a race bucket seat in it for sprinting and still used a normal lap sash seat belt.Just threaded it through the hole in the seat where needed.
If I had a harness in it it had to comply to CAMS specs so threrefore had to have a use by date of 6 years and 3" wide whereas the standard belt was fine.

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Yea i can pick up a cheap half rear alloy cage probably as an option as i wont be doing too many cams events, just supersprints and track days so no to fussed on having to pay $$$ for a cams approve steel cage.

How did you thread the standard belt through ben? did you take the top b-pillar mount off and thread it through the hole on one side?

Seems like i've got too many choices now...tube frame seat, fiberglass seat, standard belts and harness for track, ELR harness for road, half cage/no cage...why is it so hard!

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Simple rule is buy an FIA approved harness if you are serious about racing and can buy a new one every 5/6 years (they are usually manufactured the year before you buy them

Otherwise buy a klippan 4 point harness, ADR approved. Unless your state's ADR states you must use the original manufacturers belts (great, 30 year old BMC belts), or use the original mounting points, you can use any ADR approved belt. Incidently i've got a second hand one for sale, excellent condition $120 - will pass any inspection - CAMS or copper

In my car I have a Recaro seat, Stuwey will be able to tell you what it is


It’s unreal to sit in heaps nicer then most buckets as they tent to give me a saw back after a long drive with them. This one you don’t want to get out when you get there.

It has adjustable recline and will tilt to get to the back seat and is on adjustable runners so the best of all world.



Fits a normal road belt and in two mins can clip a 4 point harness in. Maybe not the cheapes seat but for a road car were you still want things adjustable its worth the extra I think.


Thanx Nathan

Thanks Nathan,

I have Recaro SE's currently and they are a great seat, bloody comfy:


BUT i am finding i would rather have a proper fixed back bucket as the car is not a daily anymore and i am using it for drags and track work and cruises and i tend to get thrown around a bit more with the extra power and would like some harness holes. I'd like to move away from the adjustable.

I have sat in and quite like:

The Sparco Sprint V - Tube frame - good value for $$


The Sparco REV - fiberglass but a lot more $$


I find most other seats are too wide to fit two in the car.

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Most "race" seats are rubbish. If they are recliners they are not "race" seats. Reclining seats will not be allowed in proper racing and some clubs will not pass them for speed events in cars that are not road registered.

Even top brand seats can be useless on the track. When I am buying a seat I will sit in the seat and twist my body and see if the seat twists, then I will place my foot in the middle of the seat base and grab the backrest near the shoulders and twist and pull the seat to test it for support. I get a lot of funny looks in the shop when I am buying a seat.

Harnesses are also hard to buy and also harder to fit correctly. Most harnesses are mounted incorrectly and can cause injury in an accident.
The shoulder straps should be mounted at 90° to the spine (+ or - 5°) but you still see Minis with the shoulder straps mounted to the floor which will compress the spine in a frontal crash.

The current CAMS rules for harnesses are not based on science or safety. They just followed the flawed FIA standards.

There is an American company that I am not allowed to name that makes harnesses (and helmets) that I would advise everyone to avoid. Even though they are well known and their products meed CAMS rules their products are not really up to the required standards. (and I was a long term user of their products)

I would not advise the use of a roll cage in a road car. I know what happens in a crash on the track and I would hate to headbutt a roll cage without a good quality helmet.
I have hit my head against a padded roll bar while wearing a helmet and it rang my bell for over a week.

Aluminum roll cages were used in Australia for a long time but were eventually banned by CAMS when they decided to follow the FIA rules for roll cages. I was against the FIA rules but I agree with the ban on aluminum bars. I have seen them do funny things in big impacts. A hit in one corner can sheer all the floor mounts and then the cage collapses when you need it most.

They have got to be better than the standard mini lowbacks/clubby highbacks? I specifically said above that i want fixed back buckets.



That is why i would like to get just a rear half alloy cage, it's got to be better than nothing and the hoop over the b-pillar would be good at protecting from the side impact and should be far enough away from my head to not be a worry.



An Alloy rear half is surely far enough away from the seat to not be an issue?

Also it should be better than nothing at all?

The main reason for putting a cage in would be so that harnesses can be mounted correctly. I don't see the need to pay mega $$ for a cams compliant steel cage for a car that's only going to be used in supersprints, trackdays and drags. It doesn't fit in any 'class' to be a concern to me.

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I have a VELO seat and it sits fairly low and the shoulder strap went over the corner of the seat as normal. The lap belt from the pillar side is threaded through the hole in the side of the seat, and the otherside the buckle poked through the other hole. It didn't have the original buckle that is fixed like the clubman style one it was a klippan one that was on a flexible cable. It all fitted properly and didn't allow you to move around.

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Just because you have ~15cm clearance between your head and the hoop don't think for a second that you will not hit the bar in a big crash. Things move a lot. I have seen hoops move a lot, I have seen seats move a lot. The seat is mounted to the floor and the floor of a Mini is not very strong.

An aluminum cage is not very safe, I have one sitting in my shed and I will not fit it to a car. I worked in racetrack medical for a while and I saw a lot of aluminum cages fail when they shouldn't have.

After seeing what an aluminum cage can do I would only use it as a template to make a steel one.
Just go to a steel supplier and get a length of steam pipe (there is a correct grade for it) and take the pipe and your aluminum cage to a good exhaust place and get them to bent the steel to the right shape.

CAMS does not recognise an aluminum cage in a car in supersprints, they will treat it like it is not there. But if you mount your belt to it they may not accept the cage as the mounting points. Check first.

Gotcha, might go this way first rather than doing the whole lot in one go. Which VELO seat did you use? GP-90? You reckon two would fit side by side in a mini? Wouldn't mind supporting an Aussie company.

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My velo is an old model now more like the milano but without the crutch strap hole. Small enough to have two side by side in a mini.

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