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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 12:19 pm 
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be aware also that injected mini's will also need to comly with structural improvements such as intrusion bars etc etc, NSW is a nightmare for getting cars imported and ADR'd ex UK,(this includes Japan mini's) The rules in the UK were different to run on rules in Australia, as Injected mini's were never available in australia. The laws have changed recently so as JAM said, check it all out first before commiting the cash. I was actually thinking of doing a front cut of a ex japan carb model, then possibly engineering it to have a differnt injection system. I don't know if this is a possiblity. Needs alot of research i think.

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Ok I have some questios for brickworx pertaning to the Rover Motor.

1. What standard Torque & HP figures at what RPM?

2. Has anyone in NSW got the diagnostic equipment?

3 What mods do you commonly do to them?

4 Are there any injected cars registered in NSW, if so are these imported or converted cars?

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Anton, Chris, and everyone else for that matter, there is no need to speculate on what is or is not allowed in modifications in NSW. It is all written here
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi07.pdf lists the ADRs and what they relate to, in case you ever wondered.

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi06.pdf lists the guidelines to light vehicle modifications which has the opening paragraph "The responsibility for ensuring that a vehicle is roadworthy rests with its owner. It is the owners responsibility to ensure that:
• the vehicle in its modified form continues to comply with the NSW Motor Traffic Regulations and
Australian Design Rules; and
• that the modifications do not reduce the strength, controllability or level of safety of the vehicle.
Owners should also check with their insurance companies before making any alterations to theirvehicle as some modifications can affect the insurance cover." So basically it is up to you to read these guidelines and the ADRs and make sure that it is compliant.

"Owner certified minor modifications are generally those modifications which were optional equipment for the vehicle concerned. Owner certified modifications also include some non-standard modifications of a minor nature which do not affect the level of safety, strength or reliability of vital systems such as brakes and steering. These modifications have little or no impact upon the vehicle’s level of compliancewith the Australian Design Rules." Putting a 1275 injected engine into a clubman falls into this category IMPO (in my professional opinion, i am an engineer)

"1972 and later model vehicles with substitute engines must meet the intent of the later of the Australian Design Rules applicable to either:
a) the original vehicle; or
b) the substitute engine.
To ensure continued compliance with emission standards, any replacement engine should come from a vehicle which is subject to the same or more stringent emission control requirements. An alternative is for an earlier engine to be upgraded during reconditioning to more recent engine specifications. All anti-pollution devices should be fitted and functional." Since all the anti pollution gear for the Rover engine is a catalytic converter, you may want to say the replacment engine is the same year as the car, but upgraded to fuel injection. No blue slipper i no of will blink an eye at that. Even without the cat, the injected engine will have much cleaner exhaust than the old smokey carb one you replaced right?

if you feel you need an engineer here is the list http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi15.pdf

Engineering is easy, all you have to do is read the rules, do some thinking as to how you can do what you want to within the rules, and do the paperwork to prove it.

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NSW totally bites - when I moved from Ballarat in Vic to Albury/Wodonga, I made sure I stayed south of the border, everything is more expensive in NSW, and the place is run by Nazis!

move to Vic, do whatever the hell you want..... like me!

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i don't think these rules are nearly as restrictive as all you people outside NSW think. Look at 13secs car. fully legal with certificate to match, without too much trouble because he went to his engineer with his ideas first. you can go and put a 1460cc Aseries with 6 speed box, cross flow head, lsd, 8.4 inch vented brakes, fully redo the suspension, all without an engineers certificate according to the guidelines. Do you have it any better than that in VIC? i don't think so. it is just that if you do go further and not get it engineered or tell Vicroads what you have done, you run the risk of getting defected if you are pulled over. in NSW this also applies, but we also have an annual safety inspection to make sure that the worst of the worst, poorly maintained cars are taken off the road, for $28 a year its a small price to pay if you maintain your car. As all of us enthusiasts do. that is much better than letting someone send in money for the POSH they are driving around that is just waiting to kill you and me.
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J_A_M wrote:
brickworx wrote:
Unless you want originality.


pfffffttttt......That's what I bought Pops for.

1. Totally original old school roundie
1. Modded superneat Clubby
That's my garage ^^^^^ :wink:


exactly what i have got anton, go all out on the clubby, efi rover motor would be nice, but dont expect much more mumbo then a carbi 1275.

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glad you do Anton. BTW i forgot to say, why not just do the rings and valves on the 998 to get JAM rolling to the shows? That way when you go to the show next year with the injected 1275, the judges will note the extra improvements you made to the car. Budget is not a big issue here, i priced all the rings, gaskets and bearings at les than $150.

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aaron wrote:

13sec, maybe you can shed some light on this stuff as you obviously have a highly engineered car and late model engine system etc etc, it would be similar i would have thought.
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As long as you run a cat convertor, o2 sensor and is under 94 decibles you will be fine. Oh and you have to keep all the air intake, vacuum hoses etc the same as standard, but once passed it can all be ripped out :)

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John's car is a 1994 spi 1.3 and my Rover is a 1993 spi 1.3. Only difference is his is UK spec (no air con) and mine is Jap spec (with air con). Thought they would get about the same fuel economy.

brickworx:
Our show this year is an outdoor one similar to the one held at Mt. Cooper in Bundoora that you came to as far as I know. Usually in November. MINISHOW is only held every second year.

I guess if you say you have the capability of hooking the spi's up to a computer and tuning them then we'll probably come over for a drive.

As far as importing (legally that is) any more Rovers that are less than 15 years old I don't think it is going to happen in a hurry. The people available in Australia to comply these vehicles just isn't there as far as I know. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I know there are front cuts coming over but they are easy enought by the sounds of it as you put them in your old Oz mini and add the bits and pieces. But as far as having a whole spi or mpi mini complied I don't think thats possible any more. Does anybody know anyone who is still doing it? I don't think so.

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What is an injected front cut worth? Can you PM me a price please someone? Just out of curiosity.


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Somewhere along the way I thought John's car was a later model.
As for the economy, if it isn't that your injectors need a clean and your tyre pressures are optimum, I don't know.


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glad you do Anton. BTW i forgot to say, why not just do the rings and valves on the 998 to get JAM rolling to the shows? That way when you go to the show next year with the injected 1275, the judges will note the extra improvements you made to the car. Budget is not a big issue here, i priced all the rings, gaskets and bearings at les than $150.

michael

I've already done the Clubbie's head up for Anton, including new stem seals.
I doubt it needs rings, looking at the the bores and carbon etc in the chambers & on the pistons. Depends whether he wants to tear it apart.... :wink:

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No body in australia has full compliance for minis(as far as i know).
Only way cars are coming in are as race cars or front cuts.

Chris... pm me for more mod details

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