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PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:09 am 
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sorry guys, but we're all moving to japan to take advantage of the extra stack up of cars over there :lol: tell ur family that i said so. i'll deal with the wives, i've got a strong backhand :P

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erin wrote:
Ooops, just to clarify, the cars I meant as likely to have caused the changes to the laws are the turbocharged grey import skylines, Zs, Supras etc.

:roll: That'd be about right...


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what would be considered necessary to meet the above criteria for determining a cehicle is specialist and enthusiast

Appearance
• 2 seater
• pillarless design on 4 door vehicle
• different silhouette (eg roof height, length – features must be not easily removed)
• gullwing or other unusual doors
• convertible

Unusual Design Features
• suspension type
• different engine type (not being just different fuel) different to what?
• braking system type
• advanced control features (eg. collision avoidance, superior handling) ;)
• number of Axles (is none unusual? ;))
The following are not considered unusual design features:
Turbocharging, supercharging, ABS, 4WD, 4 wheel steer, diesel or gas fuelled vehicles, variations of fuel injection technique (eg GDI), traction control.

Performance
• power to weight greater 105 kw/tonne (<9.5kg/kW) for MA, MB & MC only
• fuel consumption to be determined in accordance with ADR 81/00 and to be less than 4 litre/100km for MA (other categories to be decided on a case by case basis).
• Extreme handling ability

Specialist Publications
• featured, in the “as manufactured” condition in motoring publications for specialist and enthusiast vehicles. :twisted:
• be eligible for homolgation to a limited production category, such as FIA Group A (vehicles eligible for production based categories such as Group N are not acceptable)

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looks like rover 92-2000 models are on the list...

http://rvcs-prodweb.dot.gov.au/%5Csevs%5Csevsindex.htm

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As said, the cars that are considered 'enthusiast' vehicles are typically American Muscle, and they seem to be implying that the cars would only be used on Historic registration.
I feel bad because my boyfriend owns a grey import tt 300zx. He's going to be selling it soon hopefully (therefore I will have some minimoney - he owes me a grand, a nice little start to my mini fund).


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Problem here being that even if we could import any model mini, except for those 15 years or older, or now 16 years and older as brickworx says, there isn't anybody in Oz to comply them. Unless it is a private import which doesn't need as many changes to become complied.

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brickworx, have you investigated what it takes to get certification under RAWS?

As far as i knew the conditions were a registered workshop and spares supply to support the cars you import. Surely you comply on those counts? Is it just the cost of getting the certification that makes it not viable?

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To be able for a RAWS workshop is going to cost approx $100,000.
plus tens of thousands to comply each model of car... crash tests emmision reports etc...
I cannot afford this ammount, and a customer is going to have to pay more for a car.
It limits you to 100 cars per year, i would probably only sell 20 full complied minis in a year... just to cover costs it will cost an extra $7500 per car.... not really worth it in my case.

I will continue importing minis, but have to look carefully at costs to the customer.
It just means that i will bring more parts in to build better cars, later dashboards,
in dash air, sports seats etc...

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Unfortunately the company here in Vic who used to do the complying also did not go ahead with the system. Your workshop has to be a completely closed off area with it's own tools used within it. I imagine there are many other rules as well. It just put them all out of the running. I mean how many imported minis are you realistically going to sell.

Looks like the only hope you have is to privately import if you have the time and money or you have to buy one from somebody who already has one here in Oz.

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As Steve mentions, the cost of setting up under RAWS is cost prohibitive if you were only to do Mini’s. The amount of work required to comply a Mini, including 15 year old ones, is substantially more than any other car. If you were to just do Mini’s under SEVS the cost would not justify the outlay. Fortunately we are already established as a RAW and well underway with collating the evidence required for the EFI Mini however, the amount of testing work required at times seems daunting. This stems from the fact there were so many changes during the 9 years of EFI Mini production and the evidence must satisfy each and every change. The biggest obstacle we still have is the “side intrusion” testing, as this requires us to crash test perfectly good car(s). I have no doubt we will succeed with gaining compliance again for the EFI Mini however, it is taking longer than any of us would like. Thankfully Steve and I are working closely together and with our combined resources we hope to get this sorted as soon as possible .


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Well it's finally good to hear some light at the end of the tunnel.

Someone has decided to let us in on the news that at there might be a chance we can comply the EFI Minis in the future.

Any ideas on how long this may take? Years or months would at least be something.

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It is happening right now.
I would presume it won't be too much longer(months) but we are dealing with a government agency where everything has to be perfect.(dot your i's, cross your t's)
If this criteria is not met.... no rover mini imports.
If the car that is crash tested does not pass first time, how many cars can anyone afford to lose?

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Ah well Govt regs worldwide are generally there to piss people off. Just to make you all feel slightly better, NZ has banned all imports of cars which don't meet the frontal impact tests. So no minis can ever be imported, and with pricks exporting them to the US, our stocks are slowing but surely draining away...

See this f*****g w****r for evidence of our losses.


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Oz Cooper mentioned the prob with side intrusion bars. This seems to be an interesting area of the compliance as even back when John bought his the bars that we were required to fit here in Melbourne were much more detailed than the ones that were being fitted in NSW compliancing.

We found this out when we tried to fit central locking. Much more space in the NSW cars because the bars didn't take up as much room.

How come they were being passed before but not now?

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