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chassis is 021d2s1mo9 according to stickies on body numbers refers it as mini leyland EPAI 998. I am gonna assume that means that it is spose to have it?

Edit: Not meaning to hijack the post :lol:

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thats not a hijack...when Cushy chimes in with ANYTHING.....that's a hijack!

we need input from more people on this subject.... :? I thought the cut over was 6/76....

That body number list might be wrong....I have heard it is in some areas.


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G'Day Jam,
When I "blue slipped" my 1275, I was told by the person doing the inspection that my 1965 deluxe was the earliest model that could be legally registered with that size engine as it was not an option on earlier models... ? regardless of the disk brakes...
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thats because any mini before that came out with an 850 only, and you can increase CC by 30% from what the model had originally.

You just made it with your by the sound of it.


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Jam,
I don't know what I will do with the 64 850 I have in the garage, I did'nt want to build an inventory of "small bore" engine bits as well.... :roll: hot-rod maybe ????

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my 10/76 clubman is spose to have a 998 with it but i have a 1100 with no emmision stuff :)

also would that mean i would have to fit a later metro 1275 if i wanted a bigger motor :?


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thats not a hijack...when Cushy chimes in with ANYTHING.....that's a hijack!



i was going to suggest you "fiddle sticks it and find a friendly mechanic"

but i dont' think i will now

i'll just tell you all about my sore foot..


gee it really hurts....

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J_A_M wrote:
thats not a hijack...when Cushy chimes in with ANYTHING.....that's a hijack!

we need input from more people on this subject.... :? I thought the cut over was 6/76....

That body number list might be wrong....I have heard it is in some areas.


I thought from memory that air pumps came through later than that. The last new mini van we used for deliveries had an air pump and we kept that vehicle for quite a few years as they had stopped production IIRC. We still had that vehicle in 1980. There is no way we would have run van for 4 years, more like 2 or 3 years. When we got it I am sure that air pumps had not long happened. Memories though are not infallible.

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G'Day Jam,
When I "blue slipped" my 1275, I was told by the person doing the inspection that my 1965 deluxe was the earliest model that could be legally registered with that size engine as it was not an option on earlier models... ? regardless of the disk brakes...
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Maybe that's why my mate's 1275 (in an old 850) has an 850 engine #- 8AM/U/H..... :lol:
OTOH, boostedmini is running a 1400? Metro turbo in his 850..
If engineered, why would it matter?

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To clear up what the bloke from the rta said:

as long as the engineer is happy that it complies
with adr 27a then that is fine, (i.e passes the emmision
test)

i was always going to
get th 1275 conversion engineered so im not to fussed,
im sure their are engineers that will pass the motor, and
if i lean it up enough for the test it will pass emission control,
but i wil work around it. but with yours Anton, there is no need to
get an engineer to do it, so i think it sucks you cant put the older
motor in.... :cry:


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drmini in aust wrote:
Maybe that's why my mate's 1275 (in an old 850) has an 850 engine #- 8AM/U/H..... :lol:


that's what i said :roll:

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Anton, Barney's old motor is the later 99H/8.. like yours, already has a 1098 crank in, emission (998) head on too!
Maybe we can swap.. 8)

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[/quote]Chris,

If the engineer is prepared to certify that the engine meets the ADR's for your 1977 model vehicle, that would be acceptable.

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From: Chris Zerial [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, 9 March 2005 20:15 PM
To: LAMBERT Col R
Subject: Mini's with different engines


Hi Col,

I was speaking with Anton who is in the Mini Car Club of NSW with me and got talking about 1275's going into minis, he said that the motor iwas putting in may not be able to be registered as the motor is out of an older mini!! that scares me as i have just spent a packet rebuilding it and the whole car!, my details

Car: 1977 Leyland Mini Sunshine 022x2s2mo914888
Eng: (out of morris 1100S) 12ydtah34569

i am planning on gettting the engine swap engineered, and all of that (it is the EXACT engine of a mini, and some minis came out with 1275's) i would love to think their is not a drama with putting this mootor in the car, please tell me so!

Thanks for your help

Chris Zerial
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that was my correspondance with thr rta :wink:


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hmmmmm those bastards at the RTA seem to have removed my favourite document from their website of downloads here http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi_dl1.html
there used to be the Guidelines for Modification to Light Vehicles which has all the info that you need to answer any of these questions. I think i downloaded a copy at work so i'll check and let you know.

As far as i can remember the rule is that you can fit any engine that was an option for the model car, as long as all the same suspension and braking components are also fitted to that car, so this excludes any other manufacturers brakes (unless you get engineer certificate). So in theory, if there was not a 1275 model option available prior to 1965, then you would be unable to do this mod. And there were options other than 850 prior to 1965 available as options, namely 997 and 998cc Cooper. But you would have to fit the Cooper brakes, as there was no 998 with drums available at that time.

as far as the ADRs are concerned, the document did in fact state that the emission requirements of the ADRs of the year model of the newer engine must be met if fitted to an older car. Now this is where it gets interesting. How many cars that have emmision gear fitted, and are poorly maintained, do not meet the ADR requirements for maximum emissions, compared to a well maintained engine without the pollution gear fitted? The only way you can prove that any particular engine in any particular car meets any particular emission requirement is to test it. This is what an engineer would do if you asked them to certify the car, i'm sure.

The same issue about unworkable laws was recently raised in NSW parliament in relation to the motorcycle noise sticker tax that the EPA is insiting is the only way to enforce noise laws for motorcycles. Essentially they say that if your motorcycle does not have a sticker saying that the exhaust fitted meets the noise requirements of an ADR, then you get a $200 fine. This applies to any motorcycle ridden in NSW regardless of where it is registered. Now get this, most motorcycles registered before 2004 do not have these stickers fitted by the manufacturer, importer, or dealer, yet the law was made retrospective as far back as 1989. Also there is nowhere you can obtain these stickers. The point is that the real way to determine if a bike is too loud is to measure it. Same goes for emissions.

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