Can anyone tell me if this no seatbelt rule is valid in QLD aswell?

My 65 has no rear seat belts. Have been unsure if it is legal to have passengers in the back with none fitted.

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'66 BRG Morris Mini Deluxe 60HP ATW

In 68 when i bought my 64 850 it came with seat belts (and cross plies but that's another story).

At that time wearing seatbelts was seen as evidence of anti-social tendencies - especially by the fathers of female passengers. Belts were only worn by people expecting bad things to happen - or who were intending to act in a way that bad things might happen.

I'm glad I stuck with them though - especially a couple of months later when I managed to roll the wee beastie. The guys in the back rattled around a bit but we tipped it back on four wheels and carried on to dancing class.

Not a long time before then even F1 drivers thought set belts were dangerous.

Cheers, Ian

Hey Jester

Unless things have changed markedly in the last 5 years or so then Qld runs the same rules. My '63 850 was registered as a 4 seater with only two belts in the front.

Same for the '60 FB Holden my old-man had, no dramas with Qld Transport or the coppers.

hth

Jacob

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'72 Clubman Van - 1022cc, 295 head, 731 cam - Daily Driver
'69 Morris 1100 S - Dinged by a bus, in shed under repair
'64 Morris 1100 - Early 1100, long term project

Yeap, no exceptions for the littlies. It's in the NSW Road Rules 2008 (now updated with these new child restraint rules).

This is the bit that lets old minis without seatbelts of the hook.

267 Exemptions from wearing seatbelts
[Blaa, blaa, blaa]
(1A) A person in or on a motor vehicle is exempt from wearing a seatbelt if:
(a) the seating position that he or she occupies is not fitted with a seatbelt, and
(b) there is no requirement for that seating position to be fitted with a seatbelt, and
(c) all passengers in the vehicle who are exempt from wearing a seatbelt are complying with subrule (8).

But not for the littlies...
(1B) Subrule (1A) does not apply to a person who is under 7 years old.


It's a cracking good read:
http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/fragview/inforce/subordleg+179+2008+pt.16-rule.267+0+N?tocnav=y

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1970 Mini K

The rule about kids is exactly the reason why I'm now trying to get seat belts installed in the back of my 69 K. Yes, I've talked about it before... But with the events of the last couple of weeks, it's become more of a priority (nothing major, just my wife being forced to take the 20 month old with her when it wasn't convenient for the wife or fun for the 20 month old). This is no bad thing.

I've got a price from someone to do it (in my case, it's not just a compliance plate - it also involves welding in a parcel shelf, given that 80% of it's missing), but the bloke isn't going to supply the belts. So I'm wondering what people recommend..? Do people recommend a particular brand..? Klippan, Hemco, Wesco, any others..? What do people think of the Klippan Horizontal Parcel Shelf Retractable belts for the rear seat..? Do we still have suppliers on here..? I note that MiniSport sells them.

Are there any other suggestions..? I'd love something that looks more like my existing front belts, the standard old BMC belts, with length adjustment on the big chrome buckle, and wide red (well, it's faded now) webbing that matches the door restraints. Everything else in the interior is black. I think that most of the Klippan gear would probably look wrong next to the old belts, but, given it's rear seats likely to be used by kids, retractable would be nice...

The children/Classic car route is of particular concern at the moment. It means that technically, you can't take children under 7 in a classic car if it doesn't have rear seat belts - they can't legally sit in the front. The intent however, seems to be to not have children in the front due to front and side airbags which not many 30+ yr old cars have!!

This means my 5yr old can't come on club runs (legally) in two of my cars.
The RTA and police seem to now realise this abnomally, but are hamstrung by the new legislation.

Tadhg - as I think others mentioned at the time. Littles (I also used the franchise at Blacktown on Sunnyholt rd) are excellent and quite good value. I have had them fit 3-4 car seats including my dual cab rodeo which involved a bit more engineering and can't recommend them highly enough.
KB

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Beware.

If your car is modified in any way from original, you need to fit seat belts to all seating positions.

At least in most states that use dotars regulations. Which I believe is most states these days.

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-James.

Toyota 4EFTE Powered Minivan.
102 Kw @ The Front Wheels....Oh What a Feeling!

Please define `modified in any way...'

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DrMini- 1970 wasaMatic 1360, Mk1S crank, 86.6HP (ATW) =~125 @ crank, 45 Dellorto (38 chokes), RE282 sprint cam, 1.5 rockers, 11.0:1 C/R.

Yeah, its a bit vague but the regulations basically say that to retain the originality of a vehicle you don't have to fit seat belts where they weren't fitted as original equipment.
If you change the vehicle from original specs, it is no longer "original" and needs seat belts.

This could mean that if you have a bigger carb or exhaust fitted then you need to retro fit seat belts.

I'll try to find the regulation.

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-James.

Toyota 4EFTE Powered Minivan.
102 Kw @ The Front Wheels....Oh What a Feeling!

Thanks Kev. I might give them a call tomorrow, ask what they've got as options/costs... I checked the website, but it was incomplete. It'll only be purchasing the belts from them - they don't have a branch up here in Toowoomba.

Sorry, I must have confused you with someone else. I thought there was someone who lived in the inner west Sydney who had asked the question recently, and been told to contact littles or have you moved interstate?.

You may find they are not that interested if they are not doing the install - it was their install services I was recommending. Still, no harm in calling them and see what they have. I have family in Toowoomba, so used to know it fairly well.

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It was me KB, i'm going down there today to see what they can do.

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Your silliness has been noted.

YOU!!

Isn't Mini King an RTA approved seat belt installer
or just HP recommended.

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Ok I have looked through the pages of seatbelt questions and i'd thought i'd tack mine on this one....

My '64 850 has had someone try to install retractable seatbelts in the front, but it isn't a very good job. So i will be redoing it.

What i want to do is put retractables in the front and seatbelts in the back . Most importantly i need to be able to put a child seat in the back. So i am looking at mabe putting the anchor point in the middle so it is in the safest posible position.

A: Will I need these modifications engineer checked in QLD??
B: Is there and guidelines i need to follow, even though it does not legally need to have the seatbelts??

I will be making sure to make it all safe as posible and reinforce it all etc as i have access to all the tools needed (i work in a panel shop), i just want to know what the story is..

I couldn't see these answers in any of the topics i read. But if they are here somewhere, please direct me ..

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Tim
Dusk Blue
1964 850

Any anchor points added to a car for seat belts need to have a mod plate whether it be for a seat belt or child restraint

I have a 62 model 850 and have decided to sell the car because i just don't use it enough (due to the kids not being able to come along )
Putting less then 6000kms on it in over 7yrs just doesn't seem right to keep it at this stage. So i am going to sell it and get a camper that the whole family can use, then get another mini down the track .